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On January 20 2013 04:26 mikkmagro wrote:
The amount of, sorry to say it, stupidity in this thread is unbelievable. Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I think the title of the thread should be mTw broke or something of the sort. It sickens me to see people calling mTw a 'thrash' organisation, or a 'scam'. mTw has been one of the core organisations in eSports for as long as eSports has been in existence. They were instrumental in the development of the international, european and the german eSports scene. Show some bloody respect. This is not apeX, Absolute Legends or Virus Gaming. This is an organisation which had been making dreams come true for aspiring gamers for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.
For the 'SC2 is dying' doomsayers, please note that Counter-Strike, League of Legends and Dota players are affected equally by this.
It is very sad that the organisation's players have been left without their due monies, but I'm certain that mTw's management did their utmost to fulfill what had been promised, and they simply ran out of time, money and sponsors. I hope the owner manages to find some way to do this.
Look, just because you think an organizations history possibly excuses their inability to pay players contractually obligated dues does not mean that anyone else does, so calling people stupid does no one any good. In fact, one could very well argue that it is this loose sense of "respect" that is literally "killing e-sports", as players fail to speak up when stream organizations like own3d and teams fail to meet payment deadlines anywhere close to on time. "These guys have been around a long time, just trust them, I'm sure their doing their best." is not an attitude that helps anyone because it encourages marginal financial behavior on the part of teams and quiet acquiescence on the part of players.
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It's unfortunate but when businesses go bankrupt employees get shafted a lot of times in terms of being paid.
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Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife.
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Really sad to see a old clan like mTw go bankrupt. Hopefully they can go through an insolvency and get at least some of the outstanding money to pay most of their debts.
From the statement Dimaga gave in this article, mTw was open to admit their financial problems. So I don't see it as a big problem.
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On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife.
i wouldnt worry 
dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me
he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell you
im so sad for dimaga
edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you
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On January 20 2013 05:41 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife. i wouldnt worry dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell youim so sad for dimaga edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you
That depends on your definition of "normal job".
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On January 20 2013 05:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[That depends on your definition of "normal job".
You can probably take that as making more money then the average pay in Ukraine.
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normal jobs are lawyers and doctors, obviously
progaming is for poor people
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On January 20 2013 05:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 05:41 MorroW wrote:On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife. i wouldnt worry dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell youim so sad for dimaga edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you That depends on your definition of "normal job".
Well apparently 2GD said that he was getting like $2,000 a month on mTw, and I'm pretty sure very few traditional jobs pay as much in the Ukraine.
Kas and Bly have also said that it's easier to be a pro gamer in Eastern Europe than in other parts of the world because whilst you may not live comfortably with that sort of income in Scandinavia or Western Europe, you can live well in countries like Ukraine, Romania etc.
On January 20 2013 05:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 04:26 mikkmagro wrote:
The amount of, sorry to say it, stupidity in this thread is unbelievable. Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I think the title of the thread should be mTw broke or something of the sort. It sickens me to see people calling mTw a 'thrash' organisation, or a 'scam'. mTw has been one of the core organisations in eSports for as long as eSports has been in existence. They were instrumental in the development of the international, european and the german eSports scene. Show some bloody respect. This is not apeX, Absolute Legends or Virus Gaming. This is an organisation which had been making dreams come true for aspiring gamers for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.
For the 'SC2 is dying' doomsayers, please note that Counter-Strike, League of Legends and Dota players are affected equally by this.
It is very sad that the organisation's players have been left without their due monies, but I'm certain that mTw's management did their utmost to fulfill what had been promised, and they simply ran out of time, money and sponsors. I hope the owner manages to find some way to do this. Look, just because you think an organizations history possibly excuses their inability to pay players contractually obligated dues does not mean that anyone else does, so calling people stupid does no one any good. In fact, one could very well argue that it is this loose sense of "respect" that is literally "killing e-sports", as players fail to speak up when stream organizations like own3d and teams fail to meet payment deadlines anywhere close to on time. "These guys have been around a long time, just trust them, I'm sure their doing their best." is not an attitude that helps anyone because it encourages marginal financial behavior on the part of teams and quiet acquiescence on the part of players.
If they're bankrupt, they can't really pay can they? It's not like the owner ran away with the money. Their sponsors pulled out and they failed to find new ones. The owner hosted one of the guys on their CS:GO for SEVEN weeks in his family's household. If that's not dedication that deserves respect, I don't know what does. A few days ago, HMV, the biggest music/dvd/game retail chain in Britain went bankrupt, and thousands of contracted employees lost their jobs, customers were unable to cash in vouchers and the like. Does it mean that HMV was a scam company? No. They failed in their business, but that doesn't make them bad people. This is what happens all the time when a company goes bankrupt.
I believe mTw does deserve respect, because they have been supporting eSports and aspiring pro gamers for a very long time, and I'm sure the owner sacrificed a lot back when eSports was a lot smaller than nowadays. Had you followed the Counter-Strike 1.6 scene, I'm sure you would've felt the same way. So respecting an organisation that legitimately, and fairly supported pro gamers for over a decade, but unfortunately finally ran out of steam and money killed eSports. Right.
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On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga)
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Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
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That's mega sad. mTw major esports team. I'd always remember how Dimaga went to one HomeStory Cup and wrote in the middle of the signature wall: "mTwDimaga" with huge huge letters.
On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income. Nonsense, because Terran was overpowered for many more months before that and things were fine with the scene, people were collecting zerg tears in jars and everyone was more than happy with the world.
If there's any issue in recent months, it's that HotS is not yet in full speed and WoL has been stopping, because any efforts in it were only going to be short-term useful.
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On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
You don't understand this situation at all.
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mTw Really sad to see such a team disappear. Thanks for many memories, I hope this organisation will be remembered for what it was...
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Welp... As much as this sucks, if mTw can't financially support their players then there's really not much of a choice.
SuperNova and Dimaga both leaving definitely meant that mTw was having issues.
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On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
Read the article instead of the title next time...
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On January 20 2013 06:42 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;( Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga)
I realize that but look at the direction they were trying to take before going under. They contracted SuperNova, who at the time was a Code S contender and was looking like one of the more stable Korean Terrans. Acquiring SuperNova was exactly the type of investment that was cited in the article. A team going beyond it's means for an investment they can only hope will pay for itself in the future. At the time SuperNova was a great choice because it seemed like he would stick around Code S for a long time but he ended up dropping out in no time. SC2 was supposed to be the next big thing in Esports and it didnt pan out that way at all.
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mTw was one fine counter-strike team back in the days i gotta say.
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If these rumors are true, then it is a sad day for esports indeed!
On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
Sigh. mTw is (was?) an old eSports organization with its roots in CS1.6, that happened to also employ one, at times even two, SC2 players. How you could possibly construe that SC2 is dying because an organization that has barely ever commited to SC2, but much more so into other eSports such as Lol, is beyond me.
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