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Cadred.org did some research into one of the household organizations in eSports, mTw, about a couple of reports we heard regarding late payments. As it turns out almost all players that have been in the organization for the last half year or so. In the investigative piece we tried to uncover what is really going on within the organization and what sums are owed.
It is sad news then that we reveal not only is the organisation intending to shut down as soon as possible but it is also, effectively, broke. It has reneged on several of its player contracts and has been unable to pay money to its players for some time, nor even fund their travel to events. This has culminated in the recent loss of one of the jewels in their crown, the highly rated Ukrainian Starcraft 2 player Dmytro "DIMAGA" Filipchuk who has been with the organisation since 2010. Simply put the organisation is in no fit shape to continue but has decided to limp along for appearances sake. Today, we shall reveal the extent of how far mTw have fallen and their plans for the future.
You can read the entire piece here.
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On January 20 2013 03:03 TsGBruzze wrote:
not more drama....
It's the continuance of the same drama with mTw closing shop.
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Very sad, mTw has been a staple of European gaming organizations since the hay days of 1.6 
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Well that explains why DIMAGA left. We're seeing more and more drama about organisations not paying their players. Something feels really wrong about "esports" these days, some professionalism is to be expected in the near future if we want things to stabilize.
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On January 20 2013 03:03 TsGBruzze wrote:
not more drama....
I wouldn't call people's livelihoods "drama". This is a very serious matter.
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Sounds like stupid people biting off more than they can chew
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Damn it -.- Natural Selection at work I guess?
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On January 20 2013 03:06 crbox wrote:
Well that explains why DIMAGA left. We're seeing more and more drama about organisations not paying their players. Something feels really wrong about "esports" these days, some professionalism is to be expected in the near future if we want things to stabilize.
More professionalism will make it impossible for many many Teams to sustain themselfs.
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Well I'm not surprised, It was pretty obvious they were having difficulties.
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I dislike the topic "mTw Not Paying Players". Just because cadred is saying so, doesn't make it a fact.
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So this is why mtw dota 2 couldn't go to dreamhack.
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I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
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On January 20 2013 03:13 Doso wrote:
I dislike the topic "mTw Not Paying Players". Just because cadred is saying so, doesn't make it a fact.
We wouldn't say this just to stir up some dust. We have all the evidence to back it up.
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On January 20 2013 03:13 Doso wrote:
I dislike the topic "mTw Not Paying Players". Just because cadred is saying so, doesn't make it a fact.
You might want to actually read the article cause the players themselves say it, not just cadred.
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On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
Might want to read the article, this is not sc2 exclusive.
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Very sad that this has occurred. Too many scam-artists in this game.
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I thought mtw is fucking rich. Just take a look at their (ex) css and csgo teams, full of international players ranging from uk to canada, and all staying in Germany for eps and (supposed to be) salaried
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Sad to hear that. But instead of brining the pitchforks against mTw the people should look a bit more at the sponsors. In the end these are the guys that are promising money to the teams and dont hold what they said.
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On January 20 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;( Might want to read the article, this is not sc2 exclusive.
Lol... no shit... but many organizations as well as fans saw SC2 as the impetus for turning Esports into a legitimate business. Teams such as mTw and Quantic probably invested a large portion of their resources to building SC2 divisions in the hopes that SC2 would continue growing and eventually garner returns. If you read the article they speak about exactly this. So maybe I should be the one asking you if you read the article....
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Oh dear.
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On January 20 2013 03:17 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 03:13 Doso wrote:
I dislike the topic "mTw Not Paying Players". Just because cadred is saying so, doesn't make it a fact. You might want to actually read the article cause the players themselves say it, not just cadred.
I've seen respectable eSports pages quoting players about not getting their money. In the end it turned out they never even signed a contract because they never agreed on terms. This shit happens all the time. So forgive me for not taking everything that is "posted somewhere" as granted. Especially if it's about one of the most respectable eSports organisations ever.
Still mTw will be missed, if they have to close. I've had the pleasure of working with many mTw players and managers of the years and they all seemed to be honest and invested into the whole eSports idea.
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On January 20 2013 03:28 shiroiusagi wrote:Oh dear.
OH DEAR YOUR ICON :3
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When I was 14 (12y ago) mTw was the clan/team where I wanted to play. It would make me sad to see them gone.
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Wow... Never Think this about mTw...
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A lot of people that read this aren't going to realize just how long mTw has been around, so sad...
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Poor DIMAGA. Neither mTw paid him at the end nor own3d.
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I had been following mTw since Warcraft III era to CS 1.6 Sad for them
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So many teams or tournaments either don't pay or pay extremely late.
Players shouldn't be working for free like that. Why don't they start putting clauses in their contracts like "If payment is late more than 30 days, player is released from contract" and just leave these teams once they're more than a month late so they don't rack up a year of unpaid work?
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This is the natural order of competition, the thrash teams/organisations will falter away while the successful continue to be successful giving us stable "e-sports", mTw seem to be heading into disbanding with this news and the lack of a Sc2 scene. I think they just have LoL now?
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On January 20 2013 03:51 Dunmer wrote:
This is the natural order of competition, the thrash teams/organisations will falter away while the successful continue to be successful giving us stable "e-sports", mTw seem to be heading into disbanding with this news and the lack of a Sc2 scene. I think they just have LoL now?
but mTw is a known team so thats a bigger thing then a upcoming trahsteam
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playing vs mTw CS squad next sunday in ESEA, but they're now going under the name "GSS" (atleast on the site)
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On January 20 2013 03:48 Boucot wrote:
Poor DIMAGA. Neither mTw paid him at the end nor own3d.
Maybe because owned isn't paying mtw, so they can't pay him ? Sad to see mtw being broke, hope they can scrap enough bits together to pay everyone atleast something.
But debts are annoying usually affects other bits of the system and spreads out in that case to the players.
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The amount of, sorry to say it, stupidity in this thread is unbelievable. Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I think the title of the thread should be mTw broke or something of the sort. It sickens me to see people calling mTw a 'thrash' organisation, or a 'scam'. mTw has been one of the core organisations in eSports for as long as eSports has been in existence. They were instrumental in the development of the international, european and the german eSports scene. Show some bloody respect. This is not apeX, Absolute Legends or Virus Gaming. This is an organisation which had been making dreams come true for aspiring gamers for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.
For the 'SC2 is dying' doomsayers, please note that Counter-Strike, League of Legends and Dota players are affected equally by this.
It is very sad that the organisation's players have been left without their due monies, but I'm certain that mTw's management did their utmost to fulfill what had been promised, and they simply ran out of time, money and sponsors. I hope the owner manages to find some way to do this.
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On January 20 2013 03:08 AicyDC wrote:I wouldn't call people's livelihoods "drama". This is a very serious matter.
Someone is quite obviously new around here.
This explains why Dimaga left :/
On January 20 2013 03:31 Mortal wrote:OH DEAR YOUR ICON :3
Click his profile, omg the cutest things I've ever seen :3
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On January 20 2013 03:30 Doso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 03:17 Assirra wrote:On January 20 2013 03:13 Doso wrote:
I dislike the topic "mTw Not Paying Players". Just because cadred is saying so, doesn't make it a fact. You might want to actually read the article cause the players themselves say it, not just cadred. I've seen respectable eSports pages quoting players about not getting their money. In the end it turned out they never even signed a contract because they never agreed on terms. This shit happens all the time. So forgive me for not taking everything that is "posted somewhere" as granted. Especially if it's about one of the most respectable eSports organisations ever. Still mTw will be missed, if they have to close. I've had the pleasure of working with many mTw players and managers of the years and they all seemed to be honest and invested into the whole eSports idea.
except these players were under contract and even talked about it in the article and about how mTw couldn't live up to the contracts. mTw screwed a lot of players over.
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Those "confirmations" have come as a result of some really bad journalism on the part of GosuGamers.
They read our article and reported us as a source of saying the organisation had shut down. We didn't say that and they seem unable to recognise the distinction between that and what we actually did report.
The person who posted it on Gosugamers said he spoke private to syndereN from their DotA 2 team who confirmed it was closing, then deleted his comment and didn't take us down as the source of the story, which of course we're not.
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Depressing to read that one of the most popular ESPORTS dynasties has come to a close.
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On January 20 2013 04:26 mikkmagro wrote:
The amount of, sorry to say it, stupidity in this thread is unbelievable. Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I think the title of the thread should be mTw broke or something of the sort. It sickens me to see people calling mTw a 'thrash' organisation, or a 'scam'. mTw has been one of the core organisations in eSports for as long as eSports has been in existence. They were instrumental in the development of the international, european and the german eSports scene. Show some bloody respect. This is not apeX, Absolute Legends or Virus Gaming. This is an organisation which had been making dreams come true for aspiring gamers for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.
For the 'SC2 is dying' doomsayers, please note that Counter-Strike, League of Legends and Dota players are affected equally by this.
It is very sad that the organisation's players have been left without their due monies, but I'm certain that mTw's management did their utmost to fulfill what had been promised, and they simply ran out of time, money and sponsors. I hope the owner manages to find some way to do this.
Look, just because you think an organizations history possibly excuses their inability to pay players contractually obligated dues does not mean that anyone else does, so calling people stupid does no one any good. In fact, one could very well argue that it is this loose sense of "respect" that is literally "killing e-sports", as players fail to speak up when stream organizations like own3d and teams fail to meet payment deadlines anywhere close to on time. "These guys have been around a long time, just trust them, I'm sure their doing their best." is not an attitude that helps anyone because it encourages marginal financial behavior on the part of teams and quiet acquiescence on the part of players.
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It's unfortunate but when businesses go bankrupt employees get shafted a lot of times in terms of being paid.
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Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife.
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Really sad to see a old clan like mTw go bankrupt. Hopefully they can go through an insolvency and get at least some of the outstanding money to pay most of their debts.
From the statement Dimaga gave in this article, mTw was open to admit their financial problems. So I don't see it as a big problem.
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On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife.
i wouldnt worry 
dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me
he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell you
im so sad for dimaga
edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you
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On January 20 2013 05:41 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife. i wouldnt worry dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell youim so sad for dimaga edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you
That depends on your definition of "normal job".
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On January 20 2013 05:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[That depends on your definition of "normal job".
You can probably take that as making more money then the average pay in Ukraine.
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normal jobs are lawyers and doctors, obviously
progaming is for poor people
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On January 20 2013 05:52 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 05:41 MorroW wrote:On January 20 2013 05:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
Well, just hope Dimaga makes enough from other sources to support his newly wed wife. i wouldnt worry dimaga always gets alot of viewers and everything is rather cheap in ukraine he told me he makes more money than he would get with normal job^^ which is something not many progamers could tell youim so sad for dimaga edit: did not read the article at catred, just assumed mtw was awful liers but i guess not (not completely anyway). im happy they came up front and said it in time to their players they cant afford to give salery. what most often happens is that teams keep players in dark for as long as they can and give BS excuses until you eventually leave and realize they been planning it all along not to pay you That depends on your definition of "normal job".
Well apparently 2GD said that he was getting like $2,000 a month on mTw, and I'm pretty sure very few traditional jobs pay as much in the Ukraine.
Kas and Bly have also said that it's easier to be a pro gamer in Eastern Europe than in other parts of the world because whilst you may not live comfortably with that sort of income in Scandinavia or Western Europe, you can live well in countries like Ukraine, Romania etc.
On January 20 2013 05:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 04:26 mikkmagro wrote:
The amount of, sorry to say it, stupidity in this thread is unbelievable. Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I think the title of the thread should be mTw broke or something of the sort. It sickens me to see people calling mTw a 'thrash' organisation, or a 'scam'. mTw has been one of the core organisations in eSports for as long as eSports has been in existence. They were instrumental in the development of the international, european and the german eSports scene. Show some bloody respect. This is not apeX, Absolute Legends or Virus Gaming. This is an organisation which had been making dreams come true for aspiring gamers for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.
For the 'SC2 is dying' doomsayers, please note that Counter-Strike, League of Legends and Dota players are affected equally by this.
It is very sad that the organisation's players have been left without their due monies, but I'm certain that mTw's management did their utmost to fulfill what had been promised, and they simply ran out of time, money and sponsors. I hope the owner manages to find some way to do this. Look, just because you think an organizations history possibly excuses their inability to pay players contractually obligated dues does not mean that anyone else does, so calling people stupid does no one any good. In fact, one could very well argue that it is this loose sense of "respect" that is literally "killing e-sports", as players fail to speak up when stream organizations like own3d and teams fail to meet payment deadlines anywhere close to on time. "These guys have been around a long time, just trust them, I'm sure their doing their best." is not an attitude that helps anyone because it encourages marginal financial behavior on the part of teams and quiet acquiescence on the part of players.
If they're bankrupt, they can't really pay can they? It's not like the owner ran away with the money. Their sponsors pulled out and they failed to find new ones. The owner hosted one of the guys on their CS:GO for SEVEN weeks in his family's household. If that's not dedication that deserves respect, I don't know what does. A few days ago, HMV, the biggest music/dvd/game retail chain in Britain went bankrupt, and thousands of contracted employees lost their jobs, customers were unable to cash in vouchers and the like. Does it mean that HMV was a scam company? No. They failed in their business, but that doesn't make them bad people. This is what happens all the time when a company goes bankrupt.
I believe mTw does deserve respect, because they have been supporting eSports and aspiring pro gamers for a very long time, and I'm sure the owner sacrificed a lot back when eSports was a lot smaller than nowadays. Had you followed the Counter-Strike 1.6 scene, I'm sure you would've felt the same way. So respecting an organisation that legitimately, and fairly supported pro gamers for over a decade, but unfortunately finally ran out of steam and money killed eSports. Right.
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On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga)
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Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
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That's mega sad. mTw major esports team. I'd always remember how Dimaga went to one HomeStory Cup and wrote in the middle of the signature wall: "mTwDimaga" with huge huge letters.
On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income. Nonsense, because Terran was overpowered for many more months before that and things were fine with the scene, people were collecting zerg tears in jars and everyone was more than happy with the world.
If there's any issue in recent months, it's that HotS is not yet in full speed and WoL has been stopping, because any efforts in it were only going to be short-term useful.
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On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
You don't understand this situation at all.
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mTw Really sad to see such a team disappear. Thanks for many memories, I hope this organisation will be remembered for what it was...
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Welp... As much as this sucks, if mTw can't financially support their players then there's really not much of a choice.
SuperNova and Dimaga both leaving definitely meant that mTw was having issues.
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On January 20 2013 06:47 freetgy wrote:
Thats what happens if we play more than half a year with an imbalanced matchup thus losing viewer ship and therefore income.
Read the article instead of the title next time...
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On January 20 2013 06:42 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;( Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga)
I realize that but look at the direction they were trying to take before going under. They contracted SuperNova, who at the time was a Code S contender and was looking like one of the more stable Korean Terrans. Acquiring SuperNova was exactly the type of investment that was cited in the article. A team going beyond it's means for an investment they can only hope will pay for itself in the future. At the time SuperNova was a great choice because it seemed like he would stick around Code S for a long time but he ended up dropping out in no time. SC2 was supposed to be the next big thing in Esports and it didnt pan out that way at all.
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mTw was one fine counter-strike team back in the days i gotta say.
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If these rumors are true, then it is a sad day for esports indeed!
On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
Sigh. mTw is (was?) an old eSports organization with its roots in CS1.6, that happened to also employ one, at times even two, SC2 players. How you could possibly construe that SC2 is dying because an organization that has barely ever commited to SC2, but much more so into other eSports such as Lol, is beyond me.
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At least as far as SC2 is concerned I am not sure this is the largest deal. mTw's division for SC2 had been hovering at the peak of two players when Supernova was on it and left solely with Dimaga it isn't the largest dent in the community. I would say Dima's career and those of their players in their respective divisions may be better off as a result.
I am sorry to see such a tenured team be forced out due to financial or sponsor related reasons, but failing to pay is failing to pay. I don't think we have lost a pillar of SC2 though.
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Sad news
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On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;(
It's got nothing to do with SC2. Some of these organisations are just folding because they're either being crippled by the competition (EG, TL) or just aren't able to compete in monetary terms with the better funded teams.
What we're seeing here, sadly, is natural selection at work. While it would be difficult to suggest any esports team is in rude health at the moment regardless of what game they are playing, there are a fair few that are comfortable right now.
I'd say this has more to do with the collapse of 1.6 tbh.
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mTw was the shit even before cs 1.6... So sad to see them go. I can still remember their wc3 team. Taker, Lash, Modo, JanThePig, Aether-X ....
So sad to see such an oldschool team die =/
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Dimaga will find a team no problem I think, such a personality is great for many, many teams.
I'm eager to see what will happen with synderen and his plans for a new team however.
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On January 20 2013 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 06:42 Alryk wrote:On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;( Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga) I realize that but look at the direction they were trying to take before going under. They contracted SuperNova, who at the time was a Code S contender and was looking like one of the more stable Korean Terrans. Acquiring SuperNova was exactly the type of investment that was cited in the article. A team going beyond it's means for an investment they can only hope will pay for itself in the future. At the time SuperNova was a great choice because it seemed like he would stick around Code S for a long time but he ended up dropping out in no time. SC2 was supposed to be the next big thing in Esports and it didnt pan out that way at all.
doesn't really apply in this situation, because it's not like mTw went all out on SC2. They invested more money in LoL, Dota 2 and all iterations of Counter-Strike. The fact is, mTw would be bankrupt even if they never had an SC2 team, and focused all their money on LoL.
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mTw had an awesome clanpage back then
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On January 20 2013 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 06:42 Alryk wrote:On January 20 2013 03:16 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the SC2 hype train giving out waaay faster than most people ever expected a year ago has a lot to do with the condition of the scene we see now. I'm sure many of these organizations projected that SC2 would still be growing at this point, not dying.. ;( Er... mtw's has WAY more non-sc2 players than SC2 players... (player: Dimaga) I realize that but look at the direction they were trying to take before going under. They contracted SuperNova, who at the time was a Code S contender and was looking like one of the more stable Korean Terrans. Acquiring SuperNova was exactly the type of investment that was cited in the article. A team going beyond it's means for an investment they can only hope will pay for itself in the future. At the time SuperNova was a great choice because it seemed like he would stick around Code S for a long time but he ended up dropping out in no time. SC2 was supposed to be the next big thing in Esports and it didnt pan out that way at all.
The expectations for SC2 and your vitriol over SC2 have nothing to do with a multigaming organization shutting down because they couldn't play his players. They had a LoL team as well, and I heard LoL is pretty big.
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On January 20 2013 03:03 TsGBruzze wrote:
not more drama....
Drama? No, just financial reality. Cold, unforgiving, objective financial reality.
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owch, thats painful
i feel bad.
is this why dimaga got out?
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So sad to see. A big blow to the european scene.
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So sad to see mtw go I wasn't really into esports before the release of sc2, but even i knew about mtw (and other clans/teams back in the cs 1.6 days).
I am really curious if we will ever see details on how the financial problems of own3d affected the financial situation of mtw. As dimaga suspects in his statement in the article, own3d probably never paid mtw (and/or dimaga directly) - and if you make a calculation with stream incomes and you don't get any money for several months it is obvious that you won't be able to pay your own bills (= player salaries and other stuff). It is probably only part of the problem but it probably plays/played a role.
Did all mtw teams/players use own3d?
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And people bash EG for being financially successful. :/
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On January 20 2013 03:03 TsGBruzze wrote:
not more drama....
its not really more 'drama' per-say but more like another layer of the onion being peeled away on the existing state of the SC2 scene. Money has for some time being drying up in industry and most visible in 2012 with the whole sky is falling drama. This is really a continuation from the drop in player base and the tightening of the stream and ad revenue. The bust of the boom as it were. No doubt HotS will create another mini boom so there will be something worth sticking around for but perhaps the main over arching issue that I can see is that blizzard has little incentive to commit a team of developers to sc2 on a daily basis because their goal is sales and not player numbers and this is killing off the community.
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On January 20 2013 08:06 RayBeans wrote:So sad to see mtw go I wasn't really into esports before the release of sc2, but even i knew about mtw (and other clans/teams back in the cs 1.6 days). I am really curious if we will ever see details on how the financial problems of own3d affected the financial situation of mtw. As dimaga suspects in his statement in the article, own3d probably never paid mtw (and/or dimaga directly) - and if you make a calculation with stream incomes and you don't get any money for several months it is obvious that you won't be able to pay your own bills (= player salaries and other stuff). It is probably only part of the problem but it probably plays/played a role. Did all mtw teams/players use own3d?
Own3d was the official partner for mtw.tv, so I guess so. They also lost their main sponsor (Sennheiser) in September, they got XMG instead, but apparently the deal fell through or something. Their only sponsor was EIZO, which was not financing the team, but supplying monitors.
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Dimaga mentions not getting streaming money because ow3nd never payed MTW.. Interesting
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Hoping mTw's Dota team can find a new home, as I had started to really enjoy watching them. I like Synderen as a caster and all that, but I'd much rather watch him play (and Dutch Freak's Chen ofc).
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I hope they do not close. 1st quantic now this
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It sucks to lose teams from a fan perspective. But this is esports shaking itself out. The weak/mismanaged will fall and new growth will be given a chance to take over.
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and another one bites the dust...
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Starting to feel like e-sport natural selection happening.
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On January 20 2013 03:09 HoLe wrote:
Sounds like stupid people biting off more than they can chew
mTw has been in this business a LONG time.
Sad to see them go
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On January 20 2013 08:33 aka_star wrote:its not really more 'drama' per-say but more like another layer of the onion being peeled away on the existing state of the SC2 scene. Money has for some time being drying up in industry and most visible in 2012 with the whole sky is falling drama. This is really a continuation from the drop in player base and the tightening of the stream and ad revenue. The bust of the boom as it were. No doubt HotS will create another mini boom so there will be something worth sticking around for but perhaps the main over arching issue that I can see is that blizzard has little incentive to commit a team of developers to sc2 on a daily basis because their goal is sales and not player numbers and this is killing off the community.
I don't really see how mTw folds is really relate to the state of SC2 scene. There are better examples than this case.
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On January 20 2013 08:33 aka_star wrote:its not really more 'drama' per-say but more like another layer of the onion being peeled away on the existing state of the SC2 scene. Money has for some time being drying up in industry and most visible in 2012 with the whole sky is falling drama. This is really a continuation from the drop in player base and the tightening of the stream and ad revenue. The bust of the boom as it were. No doubt HotS will create another mini boom so there will be something worth sticking around for but perhaps the main over arching issue that I can see is that blizzard has little incentive to commit a team of developers to sc2 on a daily basis because their goal is sales and not player numbers and this is killing off the community.
Read the article...
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Sad to see this. Dimaga leaving after been there for soo long was a huge suprise. Really sucks when players get burned like this. Hopefully Dimaga finds a new team fast!
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Supernova only got paid for one month =[
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hey guys just in-case you missed it...
THIS IS E-SPORTS JOURNALISM.
just saying.
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On January 20 2013 17:53 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Supernova only got paid for one month =[
yea really sad
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Progamers of eSport should be paid before each month before they start playing for their team. Much like how I have to pay my internet bills before I use the internet, and if they refuse to pay.. then no work... simple as that,.
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On January 20 2013 18:13 FoxerGames wrote:
Progamers of eSport should be paid before each month before they start playing for their team. Much like how I have to pay my internet bills before I use the internet, and if they refuse to pay.. then no work... simple as that,.
It's quite normal to receive a paycheck after, you know, have done your work. Kind of like how you pay phone bills after you... made calls.
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*Insert esports event/organization* not paying players or going bankrupt. I'd be more surprised if this didn't happen once every few months for the past 8 years.
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EPT
