Is Terran to remain the lowest played race? - Page 10

On January 19 2013 14:23 Masq wrote:
this has been discussed a million times.

Nothing is likely to change because if they buff terran for the average master/gm player (foreigners), terran will become too strong in the hands of top koreans.

You have two options, suck it up or switch races.

On January 19 2013 13:27 kill619 wrote:


Because being marginally better than your opponent shouldn't be a requirement to have an equal chance of beating someone simply because of the race they play. If two races are balanced, then both players should have an equal shot of beating each other regardless of what skill level is being referred to. If the only place the game is "balanced" is at the skill level where quitting your job and playing starcraft for 5-12 hours a day is required, that's a pretty big "fuck you" to a large chunk of your player base.

On January 19 2013 08:02 bo1b wrote:

You ever kept up injects on 5 hatches + creep spread? Zerg macro is hard lol, the only race with easy as shit macro is protoss.

On January 19 2013 14:50 YumYumGranola wrote:
Protoss players who talk smack after winning games are just like your young cousin who used to pick Oddjob when you were playing GoldenEye and then talk smack when he did alright. Ultimately it's like, whatever he's a bit of a dumbass and doesn't really know what he's talking about, but you're just glad that he's not in you immediate family.

On January 19 2013 13:21 Protosnake wrote:


Considering they used to be the easiest for quite some time, when all they had to do was to roll the all-in dice, I think it's fair to say that times changes

On January 19 2013 14:43 rd wrote:


But it IS a requirement, at ALL levels up to pro. You have the capacity to be better. Not every match is even at lower levels. Among the many reasons for losing, imbalance is never the sole, and more rarely the biggest contributing factor. To even evaluate the existence of such imbalances (between all races) you'd have to remove the variable of skill level which is virtually impossible at lower levels unlike at the top where it asymptotes and opponents are much closer in skill. There is a very big reason why balance is only regarded at the top. Do you want the same rehashed explanations or are you just going to grasp at anything and weather the storm?

On January 19 2013 15:18 kill619 wrote:


haha, your funny. You really think I'm gonna fall for this shit again?

On January 19 2013 15:27 rd wrote:


Fall for what; logic?

On January 19 2013 14:42 YumYumGranola wrote:


Basically this...

It's hard enough for devs to make the game balanced at only the top level of play. The thought of having a balanced game at all levels of play while maintaining significantly different races is an extreme challenge, and I think the devs should be commended for the fact that the game is as balanced as it is. It's always funny that people hold up BW as this perfectly balanced RTS game, when really it was quite awful by the standards that would be applied to it by most SC2 players. Terran was horrendously UP for lower level players. You would literally have to be a mid masters level Terran to be a platinum leveled Protoss player. (I was C- Protoss, D- Terran whilst playing 95% of my games as Terran. I basically became C- with Toss on a whim.)

To be fair though, something about BW made me not mind losing 80% of my games as Terran which doesn't exist in SC2. Maybe it was joining ICCup as a total n00b near the end, giving me the feeling everybody had played longer than me so it was only natural that i was getting steam rollered. Maybe it was just Terran in BW was so much fun that the one time my siege line held it made it worth all the failures. Maybe the fact that I so easily played Toss and won made me realize that I was inherently better than Toss players who couldn't get past D or D+ (lol) so I could still feel somewhat superior even whilst losing. I really don't know what it is, even though SC2 the skill gap is smaller between races at low levels than BW and engagements much less forgiving the annoyance at being steamrolled by P or Z is much greater. Maybe it was just in BW no D Protoss ever talked smack because anybody playing BW knew that if you weren't a D+ Protoss you were basically garbage. Maybe that is why this thread should exist just so Terrans can look at this and realize that though they got beat that doesn't mean they're worse and use it as encouragement to keep with it and get better.

Ultimately though playing all three races in BW and SC2, I stuck with Terran in each because I found it the most fun and interesting to play. I enjoy feeling like my armies are unforgiving but have enormous potential that I can unlock. Maybe we should all just take it easy and focus on having fun, instead of who's better than who at what level. After all, unless you're a pro, you'e terrible at this game.

On January 19 2013 14:25 Tileks wrote:
I dont think that Terran is underpowered, I just feel that Terran is hard to use the units at the fullest, just look at the marines, the difference of a bad controlled group of marines to a well controlled is huge, Other races dont have any unit that have a range of skill cap like the marine. Ghost is and Raven are harder to use than Infestor and HT, for example, to use a Ghost to the fullest u have to snipe observers and land EMP on HTs, but use HT is easier cause storm do the same damage to all targets and is easier to land a Storm. All of this do not turn Terran underpowered, just harder the units at the fullest, something that Koreans can do, Foreigners cant at the moment.