EPTDestiny: Own3d paying streamers late, not fulfilling contr…
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Tenshix
United States169 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:25 NGrNecris wrote: lawyer fees, court fees and other fees would probably amount to his yearly income That depends how much he makes. Court fees might be a few hundred at most here, and I would take a simple contract case like this for about a grand (secure a summary judgment on this, assuming his story is true and the contract is legit). | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On January 18 2013 11:32 shockaslim wrote: If you are a big time independent player with a contract like his. or you have a team......its a very good idea to have a lawyer just for shit like this. I know its eSports and them eSports dollars aren't always the most reliable, but to not get paid for nearly 6 months would definitely warrant a lawsuit even with the cheapest lawyers. Lawyers are incredibly expensive in general...and frankly you can't hire any old lawyer...they have to have some expertise in contract disputes or they'll be utterly worthless. In his contract he takes a 60% penalty on money earned/owed, which is probably favorable to shelling out to a lawyer. All that aside people saying just sue over it or any contract dispute...are being naive at best in regards to legal costs. To keep a half way competent lawyer on retainer you are probably talking 5k to 15k. Hourly wages to just hire a lawyer are anywhere between $75 to $300 per/hr. Number of anyone involved in esports who can afford those kinds of legal fees is next to none. Less a handful of entertainers, teams, and organizations who can and probably do spend money on that sort of thing. Quite a few 'contracts' at best are notarized and are not really drafted up by a lawyer. Just some perspective as to why most players / people in esports appeal to the public rather then a lawyer. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:40 LarJarsE wrote: This seems to be a case exclusive to destiny as I havent seen anyone else complaining about not getting paid by own3d or delayed payment. This is probably destiny doing what he does best, starting random shit to try to get views/attention. A number of others have reported the same thing as destiny. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:40 LarJarsE wrote: This seems to be a case exclusive to destiny as I havent seen anyone else complaining about not getting paid by own3d or delayed payment. This is probably destiny doing what he does best, starting random shit to try to get views/attention. As a friendly suggestion...you may want to actually read a few follow up posts before posting. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45351 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:40 LarJarsE wrote: This seems to be a case exclusive to destiny as I havent seen anyone else complaining about not getting paid by own3d or delayed payment. This is probably destiny doing what he does best, starting random shit to try to get views/attention. ...And then you read the thread. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:36 Nerski wrote: To keep a half way competent lawyer on retainer you are probably talking 5k to 15k. Hourly wages to just hire a lawyer are anywhere between $75 to $300 per/hr. I think you have very overinflated ideas of what a lawyer costs. Anything over $200 is simply a ripoff (unless you're super rich and simply want the .001% most experienced guy ever), even for a super specialist. And contracts isn't exactly that specialized, every lawyer has to take the basics. | ||
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BeNicePLz
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On January 18 2013 13:40 LarJarsE wrote: This seems to be a case exclusive to destiny as I havent seen anyone else complaining about not getting paid by own3d or delayed payment. This is probably destiny doing what he does best, starting random shit to try to get views/attention. Wrong. Come on do you even read or just blindly make statements. Many people have this issue. All of TSM, Phantoml0rd, Guardsman, & many more have made the switch to Twitch. | ||
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SeeN_CiRcUs
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Shut the fuck up. My god this attitude stinks. This is what people THINK is professional, speaking politely and using proper sentences. You know what is actually professional? Fulfilling your goddamn contractual obligations and running your business properly. Jeez if all it took to be considered professional was politeness then what a world we'd live in. Hint, it'd be shit. Lying is just as easy to do while being polite as it is while being offensive. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: "They stayed professional" Shut the fuck up. My god this attitude stinks. This is what people THINK is professional, speaking politely and using proper sentences. You know what is actually professional? Fulfilling your goddamn contractual obligations and running your business properly. Jeez if all it took to be considered professional was politeness then what a world we'd live in. Hint, it'd be shit. Lying is just as easy to do while being polite as it is while being offensive. Dunno about you TB, but I'm much more polite when I'm lying my ass off. | ||
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pprrii
Russian Federation216 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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tribulator
774 Posts
He said on stream that the money owed is somewhere between "15 and 30 thousand dollars", without giving an exact amount. Depending on the state in the US, the limit tends to be around 10 thousand on these disputes, so I'm curious as to how something like that would be approached internationally. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:48 BluePanther wrote: I think you have very overinflated ideas of what a lawyer costs. Anything over $200 is simply a ripoff (unless you're super rich and simply want the .001% most experienced guy ever), even for a super specialist. And contracts isn't exactly that specialized, every lawyer has to take the basics. . I'd suppose some of it is perspective, but in dealing with a contract dispute...I would highly doubt you get the job done in 200 bucks, it's not like you are going to traffic court on a speeding violation. If you pay for some cheapo lawyer and whoever you are going up against has a decent lawyer...you'll probably get your butt handed to you on a platter. Not to mention many of these disputes cross country lines which requires a different level of legal knowledge. Either way using public pressure is 100% cheaper. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: "They stayed professional" Shut the fuck up. My god this attitude stinks. This is what people THINK is professional, speaking politely and using proper sentences. You know what is actually professional? Fulfilling your goddamn contractual obligations and running your business properly. Jeez if all it took to be considered professional was politeness then what a world we'd live in. Hint, it'd be shit. Lying is just as easy to do while being polite as it is while being offensive. This this this. I own a small business. I communicate with my employees and clients via text message. On the other hand, I fulfill my obligations at the exact time that I promise I will or I refund their money and/or give them free stuff. There is no excuse for paying someone late. If you can't trust someone to pay you in a timely fashion in the manner agreed upon, there is no reason to be doing business with them. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: "They stayed professional" Shut the fuck up. My god this attitude stinks. This is what people THINK is professional, speaking politely and using proper sentences. You know what is actually professional? Fulfilling your goddamn contractual obligations and running your business properly. Jeez if all it took to be considered professional was politeness then what a world we'd live in. Hint, it'd be shit. Lying is just as easy to do while being polite as it is while being offensive. So fucking true. I am a professional working for a professional lab, surrounded by professional people with doctorates. We all curse constantly. If a machine misbehaves we curse at it, if a person is dickish we curse at it. And if being polite was a necessity for being a professional, than maybe .001% of the scientists I have met are this mythical professional. Doctors swear like sailors sometimes, lawyers most certainly do (although they can't in court rooms but still do sometime). The only time people aren't professional is when they violate some part of the professional code of conduct, the law, or the ethics of their profession. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:48 BluePanther wrote: I think you have very overinflated ideas of what a lawyer costs. Anything over $200 is simply a ripoff (unless you're super rich and simply want the .001% most experienced guy ever), even for a super specialist. And contracts isn't exactly that specialized, every lawyer has to take the basics. What? Most lawyers won't even see you for a initial meeting for 200 bucks... | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On January 18 2013 13:59 tribulator wrote: Refering to the argument about small claims court in austria, i'm curious as to what the monetary limit is for their small claims court regarding these matter? He said on stream that the money owed is somewhere between "15 and 30 thousand dollars", without giving an exact amount. Depending on the state in the US, the limit tends to be around 10 thousand on these disputes, so I'm curious as to how something like that would be approached internationally. Average limit in the US is 5k, some go up to 10k and a few are as low as 3k. | ||
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