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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
January 15 2013 11:56 GMT
#21
On January 15 2013 20:48 NExt wrote:
I'm guessing this will also include Antiga and Entombed being forced crossed spawns as well.


Entombed also has vertical i think.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 15 2013 12:03 GMT
#22
REJOICE! Even easier PvZ wins for me now ;D
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
January 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#23
Annoying, my net capped today and I just want to play ; ; don't want to wait for update
Lykkehjul
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway82 Posts
January 15 2013 12:11 GMT
#24
On January 15 2013 21:07 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Annoying, my net capped today and I just want to play ; ; don't want to wait for update


Net capped ? ;o What does that mean ?
<3
Arwa
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia24 Posts
January 15 2013 12:31 GMT
#25
On January 15 2013 21:11 Lykkehjul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 21:07 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Annoying, my net capped today and I just want to play ; ; don't want to wait for update


Net capped ? ;o What does that mean ?


maybe he used a limited connection
EthanKairos
Profile Joined June 2012
Philippines65 Posts
January 15 2013 13:41 GMT
#26
Praise Adun. I don't have to be nearly as scared of losing my late game air units now.
Now, I can change almost anything.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
January 15 2013 13:47 GMT
#27
On January 15 2013 20:42 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 20:30 Arwa wrote:
shouldn't the damage for IT Need to tone down a bit ?
8 damage with 0 upgrade IT equal to +2 marine upgrade for damage
or just put 50mp for spawning 1 egg IT ><


stimmed marines have more DPS, non-stimmed marines have less than Infested Terrans. So I think this is fair, more or less...

A free unit should not have more dps then any unit that costs minerals imo. But this change is better then nothing, still would have preferred a nerf to fungal though...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2013 14:03 GMT
#28
On January 15 2013 22:47 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 20:42 TeeTS wrote:
On January 15 2013 20:30 Arwa wrote:
shouldn't the damage for IT Need to tone down a bit ?
8 damage with 0 upgrade IT equal to +2 marine upgrade for damage
or just put 50mp for spawning 1 egg IT ><


stimmed marines have more DPS, non-stimmed marines have less than Infested Terrans. So I think this is fair, more or less...

A free unit should not have more dps then any unit that costs minerals imo. But this change is better then nothing, still would have preferred a nerf to fungal though...


Same here but it's a step in the right direction. I could see it helping protoss but terran is still gonna have a hard time.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
January 15 2013 14:12 GMT
#29
Good thing that the infestor is finally getting nerfed, albeit slowly. This should make the game a little more balanced.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 15 2013 14:22 GMT
#30
The best terran unit once again belongs to terrans.
Terran & Potato Salad.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
January 15 2013 14:25 GMT
#31
On January 15 2013 21:31 Arwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 21:11 Lykkehjul wrote:
On January 15 2013 21:07 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Annoying, my net capped today and I just want to play ; ; don't want to wait for update


Net capped ? ;o What does that mean ?


maybe he used a limited connection



From what I've understood that is the common thing in Australia etc. I used to play some mmo games with some Australians, they could never play more than like 2½ weeks of a month.
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
January 15 2013 14:30 GMT
#32
Ugh, I hate this nerf. As a Zerg player I would have liked them to nerf fungal growth before they removed the upgrades for infested terrans. Zerg anti-air is so weak already. Now our only real anti-air option (until HotS) is the corruptor and it takes so long to get that far into tech. I guess I'll just be making like 8 queens now.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
KOtical
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany451 Posts
January 15 2013 14:51 GMT
#33
On January 15 2013 23:30 Butterednuts wrote:
Ugh, I hate this nerf. As a Zerg player I would have liked them to nerf fungal growth before they removed the upgrades for infested terrans. Zerg anti-air is so weak already. Now our only real anti-air option (until HotS) is the corruptor and it takes so long to get that far into tech. I guess I'll just be making like 8 queens now.


well zerg anti air is only weak in early-mid game. Corruptors are quite strong and you could get a huge corrupter count very fast... so i think depending on infested terrans only as anti air is the wrong way anyways....
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
January 15 2013 15:01 GMT
#34
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 15 2013 15:06 GMT
#35
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


This nerf is kind of a big deal for mech play too.
Terran & Potato Salad.
KOtical
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany451 Posts
January 15 2013 15:09 GMT
#36
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


P dominating Z ??? ya maybe they got the very strong immortal push. but other than that prtotss got nothing on zerg...
P cant take a third in most maps so they need to make a 2 base push... idk where u can see P dominating Z?!
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
January 15 2013 15:13 GMT
#37
On January 16 2013 00:09 KOtical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


P dominating Z ??? ya maybe they got the very strong immortal push. but other than that prtotss got nothing on zerg...
P cant take a third in most maps so they need to make a 2 base push... idk where u can see P dominating Z?!


In tournament, P is already statistically favored. "Other than immortal/sentry" is the argument every protoss try to make, but we're not outside immortal/sentry, it's a part of the game.

I dont see IT not getting uprade as a big deal in TvZ, however this could just kill Z in PvZ
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
January 15 2013 15:28 GMT
#38
On January 16 2013 00:13 Protosnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 00:09 KOtical wrote:
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


P dominating Z ??? ya maybe they got the very strong immortal push. but other than that prtotss got nothing on zerg...
P cant take a third in most maps so they need to make a 2 base push... idk where u can see P dominating Z?!


In tournament, P is already statistically favored. "Other than immortal/sentry" is the argument every protoss try to make, but we're not outside immortal/sentry, it's a part of the game.

I dont see IT not getting uprade as a big deal in TvZ, however this could just kill Z in PvZ


lol

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 15:34:47
January 15 2013 15:33 GMT
#39
On January 16 2013 00:13 Protosnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 00:09 KOtical wrote:
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


P dominating Z ??? ya maybe they got the very strong immortal push. but other than that prtotss got nothing on zerg...
P cant take a third in most maps so they need to make a 2 base push... idk where u can see P dominating Z?!


In tournament, P is already statistically favored. "Other than immortal/sentry" is the argument every protoss try to make, but we're not outside immortal/sentry, it's a part of the game.

I dont see IT not getting uprade as a big deal in TvZ, however this could just kill Z in PvZ


Every air transition is now stronger for terran. And protoss too of course. Protoss kills zerg with immortal/sentry or pre hive all ins. Guess zergs just gonna have to get better and learn to prepare for it. Can't tell you how many times I've seen a zerg throw up a million panic spines, building 5 corruptors when protoss is already halfway across the map with 4 colossi. Good zergs have no problem vs protoss at any stage of the game. Unless they get outplayed super incredibly hard like Leenock did in his GSL series vs HerO. Bottom line? Leenock still won. That's why this nerf is coming. Maybe it'll fuck things up, maybe it won't. Give it some time to test it. If it's good we can talk about ways to stop immortal all ins.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
January 15 2013 15:44 GMT
#40
On January 16 2013 00:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 00:13 Protosnake wrote:
On January 16 2013 00:09 KOtical wrote:
On January 16 2013 00:01 Protosnake wrote:
The only thing I see happening soon is protoss dominating Z even more now while terran are still helpless


P dominating Z ??? ya maybe they got the very strong immortal push. but other than that prtotss got nothing on zerg...
P cant take a third in most maps so they need to make a 2 base push... idk where u can see P dominating Z?!


In tournament, P is already statistically favored. "Other than immortal/sentry" is the argument every protoss try to make, but we're not outside immortal/sentry, it's a part of the game.

I dont see IT not getting uprade as a big deal in TvZ, however this could just kill Z in PvZ


Every air transition is now stronger for terran. And protoss too of course. Protoss kills zerg with immortal/sentry or pre hive all ins. Guess zergs just gonna have to get better and learn to prepare for it. Can't tell you how many times I've seen a zerg throw up a million panic spines, building 5 corruptors when protoss is already halfway across the map with 4 colossi. Good zergs have no problem vs protoss at any stage of the game. Unless they get outplayed super incredibly hard like Leenock did in his GSL series vs HerO. Bottom line? Leenock still won. That's why this nerf is coming. Maybe it'll fuck things up, maybe it won't. Give it some time to test it. If it's good we can talk about ways to stop immortal all ins.


Air transition is stronger assuming that Zerg went +1 range, and outside of Stephano's having fun it's only in the case of Mech.
"Good zerg having no problem vs Protoss at any stage of the game and winning even though they are outplayed" is, to be polite, your opinion : http://i.imgur.com/h2Z27.png

I'm not saying things are fine right now, I'm saying they are addressing the wrong issues, or heading in the wrong direction (Or it's probably just a band-aid until Hots come out)
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