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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:07 willyallthewei wrote: Taking off the upgrade is going to make it really fun to deal w/ a resurgence of raven based 1-1-1's as soon as terrans get smart. This just occurred to me as well. Ouch. Still think it was a good change though. | ||
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xPabt
226 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:07 willyallthewei wrote: Why not just make seeker missle stronger? Taking off the upgrade is going to make it really fun to deal w/ a resurgence of raven based 1-1-1's as soon as terrans get smart. WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THIS IS A BIG CHANGE TO RAVENS? This is blizzard saying hey terrans we know ravens might not be very good please try using them so we can have a better idea what to do with them in HotS | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:09 Vanadiel wrote: Well, to be honest there is also the time needed to search the upgrade, meaning it might (or not) allow interesting timing which might (again, or not ^^) be overpowered, but only time and tip top terran will tell us. I don't think i've EVER seen a game where you wanted to use a Seeker missile, had the energy, but didn't had the upgrade finished. | ||
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kodas
United States418 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:10 Noocta wrote: I don't think i've EVER seen a game where you wanted to use a Seeker missile, had the energy, but didn't had the upgrade finished. I've played in a few, but it's mostly my fault. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:07 willyallthewei wrote: Why not just make seeker missle stronger? Taking off the upgrade is going to make it really fun to deal w/ a resurgence of raven based 1-1-1's as soon as terrans get smart. #2 this raven buff has absolutely nothing to do with lategame. this is an early/midgame buff of the raven. could be useful now in both matchups. | ||
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:09 Resistentialism wrote: Seeker missile in a 1/1/1 is a huge waste of gas and techlab starport time. Seeker is scary in MASS raven usage. I hope you know what you're talking about, cause i don't wanna deal with that $@#$!. I'm scared of the following situation: 4 cloaked banshees + cloak upgrade = 800 gas = 4 ravens. So, what if terran player just made 4 ravens, seeker missile in the probe line as harass, then for the push spammed turrets and pdds? NOTE: seeker missile is FASTER than probe. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
toss will be able to storm away IT-fields and the reduced fungal range also means more infestor vulnerability to blink and colossi. overall, i really like this patch. making fungal's rooting effect something else than a complete micro-killer would be even better, but this will do as well for now. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25649 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:09 nottapro wrote: hellion banshee openings being replaced with hellion raven openings anyone? clean up creep and seeker missle a drone or queen, oooh yeah No. Stop acting like having a single Missile ready will achieve more than having a unit which deals as much damage to a single target in 5 seconds. On December 05 2012 04:09 Stress wrote: Ravens still take forever to get energy for 1 seeker missile and the range is still less than that of fungal. I see this patch helping PvZ more than TvZ personally. This. Stating that “eggs now die in 2 Tank shots” is cool and all, but when meching you hardly have the luxury to focus eggs when there are 30+ Roaches along. | ||
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ardi
United States187 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:12 willyallthewei wrote: I hope you know what you're talking about, cause i don't wanna deal with that $@#$!. I'm scared of the following situation: 4 cloaked banshees + cloak upgrade = 800 gas = 4 ravens. 400 + 200 = 800? | ||
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rtem
Finland54 Posts
Overall these feel kinda good changes although I still feel fungal is kind of a lame spell. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Daxter
Finland69 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:20 Mastazaka wrote: Snipe is gonna be SO good vs Infestors now. It will have a 2 range lead on them to snipe before fungal. So having 4-6 ghost will be a lot more forgiving on sniping them. Plus use the left over ghost to launch nukes  . However I really think the root effect needs to be gone I mean cmon... this is a big start showing there willing to patch at least.I agree on the root part. I think it would produce more interesting games if fungal didn't root at all so terran and protoss(or even in mirror matchup a zerg) would be able to still micro, even when they do take full damage from it. This in my opinion would produce more interesting gameplay to watch(i don't really play sc2 anymore, but i do like watching it). | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:18 Deckard.666 wrote: +2 range on queens? That's barely going to have an effect in the game. ... Go back farther, that +1 roach or archon range made no difference at all either... right? | ||
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jliu
282 Posts
I wonder whether the raven will actually see more use in TvT 1-base pushes, since seeker missiles are pretty good for softening up marines. | ||
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nottapro
202 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:14 TheDwf wrote: No. Stop acting like having a single Missile ready will achieve more than having a unit which deals as much damage to a single target in 5 seconds. People are going to experiment with the composition whether you brow beat them to keeping the statis quo or not. | ||
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though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.
