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[Dec 4] Wings of Liberty Balance patch - Page 6

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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 19:04:51
December 04 2012 19:04 GMT
#101
On December 05 2012 03:58 narkissos wrote:
Ryung our generations Rosa Parks.


We ought to dub this the "Ryung patch".
Get off my lawn, young punks
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
December 04 2012 19:05 GMT
#102
THERE IS A GOD.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
SNSDBWooger
Profile Joined March 2012
France16 Posts
December 04 2012 19:05 GMT
#103
P.L.A.C.E.B.O.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 19:09:04
December 04 2012 19:05 GMT
#104
Sounds good, pro players probably will notice the changes. IT will probably be useless vs Protosses with storm.

However, i had hopes that the boring PvZ style is gonna get a change.... Gotta wait for HotS i guess. I'd imagine it stays like it currently is. All-ins will still be deadly as hell, just that the Protosses might often win the late game as well (not sure gotta wait about that one)
Nakhimov
Profile Joined June 2011
United States14 Posts
December 04 2012 19:05 GMT
#105
Definitely liking these changes, significant but not enough to throw the metagame. Definitely interested to see if ghost TvZ makes itself viable again.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 04 2012 19:06 GMT
#106
I'm glad they aren't overreacting even if they could have made this change sooner.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
December 04 2012 19:06 GMT
#107
On December 05 2012 03:53 Rhayader wrote:
Sensible changes. Can't believe some zergs here are crying about it. You got off very easy on this deal, could have been much worse nerfs.


Not all that much Zerg whining. We all knew this day was coming eventually.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 04 2012 19:06 GMT
#108
this is a huge deal. -1 range means a lot in both matchups. This could even be too much right now. We'll see how it turns out.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 04 2012 19:07 GMT
#109
On December 05 2012 03:56 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:53 LgNKane wrote:
maybe this will shut up all the balance whining though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.


Because you don't need to spend 300 resources on an upgrade, ravens will suddenly become overpowered? What?


Yeah, it's not like ravens will get the energy any sooner.
It still take like 3min for a raven to get Seeker energy after getting out of the starport
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
December 04 2012 19:07 GMT
#110
Why not just make seeker missle stronger? Taking off the upgrade is going to make it really fun to deal w/ a resurgence of raven based 1-1-1's as soon as terrans get smart.
"never give up, never surrender"
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
December 04 2012 19:07 GMT
#111
It's nice to see small, careful touch-ups like these instead of many changes at once, hope it works out well.
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
December 04 2012 19:08 GMT
#112
On December 05 2012 04:07 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:56 GolemMadness wrote:
On December 05 2012 03:53 LgNKane wrote:
maybe this will shut up all the balance whining though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.


Because you don't need to spend 300 resources on an upgrade, ravens will suddenly become overpowered? What?


Yeah, it's not like ravens will get the energy any sooner.
It still take like 3min for a raven to get Seeker energy after getting out of the starport


fungal still out ranges seeker missile by like 3 ish too LOL
yes
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
December 04 2012 19:08 GMT
#113
On December 05 2012 04:06 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:53 Rhayader wrote:
Sensible changes. Can't believe some zergs here are crying about it. You got off very easy on this deal, could have been much worse nerfs.


Not all that much Zerg whining. We all knew this day was coming eventually.

Nah, why would I wine? Infestors are boring to play with and watch, it's about time something is done. I'm excited to see if this has any effect on the metagame.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
December 04 2012 19:08 GMT
#114
DeMuslim...RAVENS...NASL...NAO!!
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ilsamsamchil
Profile Joined September 2010
155 Posts
December 04 2012 19:08 GMT
#115
On December 05 2012 04:06 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:53 Rhayader wrote:
Sensible changes. Can't believe some zergs here are crying about it. You got off very easy on this deal, could have been much worse nerfs.


Not all that much Zerg whining. We all knew this day was coming eventually.


Yet there are still zergs crying about this. They could had it much worse like templar's energy upgrade and emp getting nerfed.



We ought to dub this the "Ryung patch".


I second this motion ^^
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nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
December 04 2012 19:09 GMT
#116
hellion banshee openings being replaced with hellion raven openings anyone? clean up creep and seeker missle a drone or queen, oooh yeah
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
December 04 2012 19:09 GMT
#117
Seeker missile in a 1/1/1 is a huge waste of gas and techlab starport time. Seeker is scary in MASS raven usage.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
December 04 2012 19:09 GMT
#118
Ravens still take forever to get energy for 1 seeker missile and the range is still less than that of fungal. I see this patch helping PvZ more than TvZ personally.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 19:11:39
December 04 2012 19:09 GMT
#119
On December 05 2012 03:56 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:54 ACrow wrote:
On December 05 2012 03:53 LgNKane wrote:
maybe this will shut up all the balance whining though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.

Raven in late game didn't change at all. Just the transition into it became easier.

You don't have to spend 150/150 now. That's literally the only change.



Well, to be honest there is also the time needed to search the upgrade, meaning it might (or not) allow interesting timing which might (again, or not ^^) be overpowered, but only time and tip top terran will tell us. And we should see if it's not a buff to 1/1/1 build (meaning Puma is gonna rules the world again :p )
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 04 2012 19:09 GMT
#120
This rangenerf is huge.
xlord 5:0
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