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Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
December 04 2012 18:42 GMT
#61
Looks reasonable.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 18:45:11
December 04 2012 18:42 GMT
#62
guess we'll have to wait for HotS to see if fungal will be changed to a projectile

8 range fungal will at least require a little more skill from the Zerg player

not sure if the IT egg HP change will really change much for IT useage

would have preferred an energy cost adjustment to something like 30 so 6 available ITs at 200/200 versus 8 available ITs at 200/200 @ 25 energy cost

also would have preferred requiring Infestors to be unburrowed to throw out ITs

edit: just saw IT egg HP is changed to 70 instead of the 80 that was being tested. so 1 storm can now kill IT eggs?
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mjnbowlgod
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
December 04 2012 18:42 GMT
#63
is this being added to the beta today?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
December 04 2012 18:43 GMT
#64
On December 05 2012 03:40 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:38 DarK[A] wrote:
On December 05 2012 03:15 Alryk wrote:
Woah, this is interesting. I dunno if a 1 range reduction will do much, but I like the IT and raven seeker missile changes.


Now I feel like mutas are going to be even more useless... Terrans complained that if they looked away from their army for a second, they'd be fully fungaled. Now if I look away from my muta flock for a second, they'll be dead.

God forbid you split them up a bit before attacking.

If your mutas are just idle then they won't be that stacked up anyway.

Waaay easier to split up mutas and pick off a Raven than pray the mutas stack up and land a HSM. Good Zergs already do that against Infestors in ZvZ anyways.


Plus, when was the last time we saw a terran build a raven against mutas? That's just theorycrafting. I mean it's happened, but not that often. The raven is definitely underused, a buff is nice.
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Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 18:43:54
December 04 2012 18:43 GMT
#65
HELLO FEEDBACK! :D

I'm pretty excited about this. That and colossus outranging infestors should make things a lot more manageable.

Is this going on HotS beta too? That's really all I've been playing.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 04 2012 18:43 GMT
#66
On December 05 2012 03:42 jalstar wrote:
getting a fast armory with +1 vehicle attack is going to be so important for terrans now, since you'll be able to 2-shot infestor eggs with siege tanks.

this wouldn't be possible if infestor eggs had 80 hp, it would be essentially the same as 100 for TvZ

I wouldn't say it would be any less important than it is now, but it's a nice change.
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
December 04 2012 18:44 GMT
#67
Blizzard is being far too safe with these changes, IT's will only be used for harassment purposes now. Raven change does exactly nothing.
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
December 04 2012 18:44 GMT
#68
On December 05 2012 03:40 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:38 DarK[A] wrote:
On December 05 2012 03:15 Alryk wrote:
Woah, this is interesting. I dunno if a 1 range reduction will do much, but I like the IT and raven seeker missile changes.


Now I feel like mutas are going to be even more useless... Terrans complained that if they looked away from their army for a second, they'd be fully fungaled. Now if I look away from my muta flock for a second, they'll be dead.

God forbid you split them up a bit before attacking.

If your mutas are just idle then they won't be that stacked up anyway.

Waaay easier to split up mutas and pick off a Raven than pray the mutas stack up and land a HSM. Good Zergs already do that against Infestors in ZvZ anyways.

Not to mention, a raven is still so expensive that if you get it early game, you might just be able to split your mutas and kill it because terran has less stuff, and one you start nearing a max with a muta/ling/bane force, there should be atleast 1 thor if the terran is doing it right.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 18:45:46
December 04 2012 18:45 GMT
#69
- 1 range is huge in my opinion.
At least for engagements, you have to get way closer to fungal and therefore you lose more infestors and cant just save them every time when they get focused.
Also ghost and ht become way more viable. especially ghost can almost snipe/emp infestors before they get hit by fungal.

also you might be able to tech to raven on other maps than metropolis. Just sounds awesome
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
December 04 2012 18:45 GMT
#70
On December 05 2012 03:42 Hier wrote:
The way it's worded it seems like the HSM has been removed entirely.


No it isn't, the upgrade is removed, not the ability itself.
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 18:45:40
December 04 2012 18:45 GMT
#71
Seeker missile is one of the more telegraphed actions in the game, imo. You get a good second or more of seeing the raven position itself to fire and then you have seeker travel time on top of that.
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
December 04 2012 18:46 GMT
#72
Time to do some cheesy early proxy-Raven cheesy Seeker bomb strat in my trash platinum league :D
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 04 2012 18:48 GMT
#73
Also, holy shit will zergs die to 3 base all ins from protoss now.
Forcefield + colossi now outrange fungal which means that infestors are highly vulnerable to a 3 base push composition now.
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
December 04 2012 18:48 GMT
#74
On December 05 2012 03:38 DarK[A] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:15 Alryk wrote:
Woah, this is interesting. I dunno if a 1 range reduction will do much, but I like the IT and raven seeker missile changes.


Now I feel like mutas are going to be even more useless... Terrans complained that if they looked away from their army for a second, they'd be fully fungaled. Now if I look away from my muta flock for a second, they'll be dead.


With the speed of ravens and the seeker missile range I think it will take more than 1 second to lose all your muta. It's an interesting point though.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 22:34:52
December 04 2012 18:49 GMT
#75
On December 05 2012 03:45 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 03:42 Hier wrote:
The way it's worded it seems like the HSM has been removed entirely.


No it isn't, the upgrade is removed, not the ability itself.

That's what I thought.
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nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
December 04 2012 18:49 GMT
#76
On December 05 2012 03:46 Moka wrote:
Time to do some cheesy early proxy-Raven cheesy Seeker bomb strat in my platinum league :D


Ooooh yeah, thats what I am thinking too. Can't wait =D. Forget banshee harass, thats so yesterday.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 04 2012 18:49 GMT
#77
this is good news. Even as a P player i do like the careful approach of Blizzard here, not overly nerfing the infestor in order to keep the small edge of good game balance in mind. Next time pls remove the FF and redesign protoss ( i still have hopes, though they are a bit surreal)
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LavaLava
Profile Joined January 2012
United States235 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 18:50:15
December 04 2012 18:49 GMT
#78
This is great. Here's what I think the important changes are.

Psi Storm: One psi storm to kill. ITs will need to be spread, reducing damage per area.
Feedback: You almost can't fungal an HT that's going to feedback you. Huge. Fungal Radius is 2, so you need to hit the HT right at the bare edge of the Fungal at full range in order to avoid the Feedback. Skill based, nice.
Tanks: +1 upgrade means 2 shots to kill IT eggs. Spam'n'eggs on top of Tanks decently nerfed. Lowered Fungal range means Tanks will have a much easier time targeting Infestors.
Colossus: You'll probably get killed trying to Fungal them without support. Or you can only fungal 1 colossus without getting hit, you can't reach farther back.
Ghosts: Easier to snipe and EMP without getting fungaled.
Vikings: They don't auto-die to Infestor Broodlord.
Deathballs: Much harder to just lay Fungal right on top of deathballs, You'll see people using Fungal on the leading edge of Thor, Colossus, Brood Lord, unsieged Tank armies.
Raven: This is small, but I think you can no longer Chain Fungal Ravens without potentially receiving damage from Auto Turrets with the Hi-sec upgrade. Drop range is 3, Turret range is 7. Auto Turrets are actually quite good against Infestors and Ravens take a long time to die from Fungal.
Everything: It's just easier for everything to get in range before the Fungal happens. It's also easier for everything to kill IT eggs. I didn't even know they had 100 health! That's quite a lot.

Also, large groups of Infestors become harder to use. When they are all clumped up, the low energy infestors will more easily block the ones you've just commanded to Fungal something.

I think we'll see the Infestor become a support caster in moderate numbers again.
Rhayader
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania189 Posts
December 04 2012 18:53 GMT
#79
Sensible changes. Can't believe some zergs here are crying about it. You got off very easy on this deal, could have been much worse nerfs.
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
December 04 2012 18:53 GMT
#80
maybe this will shut up all the balance whining though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.
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