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On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead!  The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark.
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Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran!
Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases.
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Heh HotS looks exactly like WoL. With strong early games against Zerg, that will get weaker the more people get used to it. And Zerg looking strong in the lategame (okay Terran and Toss kill Zerg in the late late game, which is easier to get in HotS). Only difference is that Midgame Zerg is really boosted compared to the WoL start.
But I can imagine a time where Zerg will dominate again until they get some slight nerfes. Where I really hope they don't touch the early game with nerfs, because people aren't used to it. And we have the perfect example with the Soultrain that seems to have finally come to an halt.
And saw a HotS series yesterday where mass Hellbats were a main theme and no issue at all for the Zerg player. Even without Roaches.
The only question is will Blizzard/Mapmakers react to the qqing like they did in WoL or will they find a good answer this time. I mean Taldarim the supposed answer for the struggling Zergs turned out to own their lategame, while it made Bio ultra strong. And all the damn open expansions made Hellion runbies to easy.
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On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead!
I really doubt that considering what the pro's say of the current balance in the beta. Even the other races say zerg is underpowered and struggling.
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On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases.
Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point.
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On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point.
Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those.
Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead, if both sides played passively.
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On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead.
That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third?
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On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third?
How many Zergs have died to 11/11?
I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg.
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On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:
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The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg.
Not too many zergs have died to the 11/11 recently, in fact scarlett / drg / someone else recently went 3 hatch before pool and held the push.
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On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:
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The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg.
Well to be fair: If after 2years of 3CC builds he hasn't adapted to them, he will surely be unbelievably behind against a passive 3hatch zerg.
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On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:
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The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg.
I am pretty sure 11/11 has <50% win rate for past few months.
I am not sure about 80 drones at 8 minutes, that is probably too much. But the current meta does allow zergs to get to 3 base saturation the 'safest' out of all 3 races. I think HoTS will make zergs to have to play a bit more defensive.
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On February 22 2013 00:28 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:
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The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle.
Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg. I am pretty sure 11/11 has <50% win rate for past few months. I am not sure about 80 drones at 8 minutes, that is probably too much. But the current meta does allow zergs to get to 3 base saturation the 'safest' out of all 3 races. I think HoTS will make zergs to have to play a bit more defensive.
So if both sides play passive and don't harass, economy ends even and in HotS, Terran gets better defense, so Zerg can't harass, AND better offense, so they can harass more...
Interesting... I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent comments from the Korean pros about the state of ZvT in HotS.
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On February 22 2013 00:27 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:
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The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle.
Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg. Not too many zergs have died to the 11/11 recently, in fact scarlett / drg / someone else recently went 3 hatch before pool and held the push.
Actually, the zerg cannot hold 11/11 with 3 hatch pool in 'normal' games. The terran can just walk into the main and kill them. It is usually a misplay from the terran which allows the zerg to hold. Some terrans don't realize there is a third hatch and take too much time trying to kill the natural which allows the production at the third to kick in.
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On February 22 2013 00:31 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:28 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:[quote] Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? How many Zergs have died to 11/11? I don't see the Terrans whining that their early defenses are too weak. If that's the problem, you got free siege mode and widow mines in HotS. What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg. I am pretty sure 11/11 has <50% win rate for past few months. I am not sure about 80 drones at 8 minutes, that is probably too much. But the current meta does allow zergs to get to 3 base saturation the 'safest' out of all 3 races. I think HoTS will make zergs to have to play a bit more defensive. So if both sides play passive and don't harass, economy ends even and in HotS, Terran gets better defense, so Zerg can't harass, AND better offense, so they can harass more... Interesting... I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent comments from the Korean pros about the state of ZvT in HotS.
Well, if both sides plays passive, zerg usually takes their 4th a lot sooner and the top zergs will have creep very close (map dependent) to the base of terran by like 13-14 minutes.
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On February 22 2013 00:05 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! I really doubt that considering what the pro's say of the current balance in the beta. Even the other races say zerg is underpowered and struggling.
They seem weaker right now but it's also because of unknown timings that hurt them the most. Style of play for zergs has changed the most. It'll take time but I think zergs will get the hang of it quickly, once HoTS goes live. Their unit compositions can be strong in theory. It takes time for metagame to catch up to current balance.
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On February 22 2013 00:05 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:On February 21 2013 22:23 Ryps wrote:
I never liked how the vast majority of the community blames the players rather than the people in charge of balance. I would not play any other race even if zerg was the weakest race by far. The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! I really doubt that considering what the pro's say of the current balance in the beta. Even the other races say zerg is underpowered and struggling.
Current Beta balance shouldn't even be a topic of serious discussion. Obviously the game will have major balance flaws upon release which will hopefully be smoothed out sometime afterwards. I mean Terran was the strongest race at the release of WoL and we all know how that shaped up.
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Either way, HotS is looking to be a lot more fun than WoL.
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On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:34 DidYuhim wrote:
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The replies like "The X race was OP before, so it's okay that Zerg is OP now" are the most obvious reason. The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle. Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg.
Have you missed the last two years of WoL?
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people with terran portraits talk about how op zerg is in current meta of WOL. people with zerg portrait come up with anything to say the race they play in WOL is not overpowered. I do believe zerg is the weakest race in HOTS tho. I maybe wrong.
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On February 22 2013 01:26 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 00:23 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:20 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 00:17 sitromit wrote:On February 22 2013 00:14 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 22 2013 00:00 sitromit wrote:On February 21 2013 23:41 Breach_hu wrote:On February 21 2013 23:21 vthree wrote:On February 21 2013 22:54 Big J wrote:On February 21 2013 22:44 vthree wrote:
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The funny thing is that this statement will be used once HoTS is out (assuming no major balance changes) and zergs start to struggle.
Ah no... Swarm Host hydra Viper is going to dominate so hard that you guys WISH the Infestors still had 9range NP instead! The problem will be 'getting' to swarm host hydra viper. Remember BL/infestor were just as strong in 2011, but how many zergs got there? They can still get there, just they have to drop the bullshit attitude to get 70drones on 3base at the 8min mark. [images] Look at all those Drones, wow!!! Those greedy Zergs, how dare they have an even economy with the Terran! Don't let facts hit you in the head though. Go back to your whining about 80 Drones on 3 bases. Cherry-picking random games without context isn't proving any kind of point. Yeah, I had to look really hard to find those. Tell you what, why don't you find me some games from Code S from the last 8 months, where Zerg opens fast 3 base, and Terran opens 3 CC, and Zerg has any kind of econ lead. That is not the issue. 3CC can keep up with fast third from Zerg. But 3 CC is a lot easier to punish compare to fast 3 hatch. How many terrans have gotten roach busted going 3 CC in the last 6 months. How many zergs have gotten killed by going fast third? What I always see though, is this nonsense being perpetuated endlessly, that unharassed Zerg will have 80 Drones at 8 minutes and be unbelievably ahead, resulting in an auto-win for the Zerg. Have you missed the last two years of WoL?
Have you ever put any evidence in any of your posts?
So in February 2011, Zergs got up to 80drones at 8mins unharassed. Cool story! Don't forget the story about how in 2010 Terrans would regularily go up to 20 Battlecruisers of 1base at 7:24 and how Warp Gate was so broken in the beta that it would allow you to warp in backwards in the timeline, allowing you to change the past.
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Its funny how we had balanced game in april 2012 when Blizard decided to randomly buff queens and now almost a year later they still cant fix the problem they caused.
In short good job.
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