EPTCall to Action #2: November 30 Balance Testing - Page 17
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artosismermaid
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On November 30 2012 21:06 Glon wrote: Realize that the GSL Ro4 players are there for the GSL. Sniper also fell out 0-2 to STC in R2 -- they prepped for GSL and will save strategies for GSL, not use them in the early rounds of IPL. People seem to be forgetting that your entire army should not be able to be fungaled. 1. You should be split 2. Collosus in front -- focussing infestor 3. SOME templar near front to storm eggs/brood lord and feedback infestor/queen 4. SPLIT ARC w/ Stalker 5. Mothership NEAR front so that the zerg cannot poke in with Brood lords w/ out fully committing with rest of army (for fear of getting double vortexed directly on the brood lords) As for attacking into zergs, protoss should not be doing that until they have their ultimate/unbeatable army of carrier/mothership/2 collosus/arcon/high templar. Rely on warp prisms to force zerg into attacking you -- then engage the zerg in the open if possible. This egg change will also make it easier for late game engagements -- Since zergs must now actually have some roaches since infested terran eggs will die so easily before even hatching. Hope ^ helped. I can write a similar how-to engage for terran if people are interested. Maybe I'll even make a full guide, we'll see. So while Protoss and Terran have to do all this preparation before engaging, what exactly does a zerg player have to do? | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:21 magnaflow wrote: So while Protoss and Terran have to do all this preparation before engaging, what exactly does a zerg player have to do? Teach protoss and terran how to play their own races  | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
First of all, a PSI Storm on Eggs will not kill said eggs due to passive health regeneration. Furthermore, if regen wouldn't be there and if a PSI Storm hits whenever there is 3 seconds left for an IT to spawn, they will spawn with full health before the storm finishes. Now you have spawned ITs' with 60% of their life still there after the last storm tick. IT spawns with full health regardless of damage done to the egg. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:21 magnaflow wrote: So while Protoss and Terran have to do all this preparation before engaging, what exactly does a zerg player have to do? Nothing! Like the rest of the whole game. You just build some workers and wait for him to move out. Then you pump units 1a. No big deal. I was a proud zerg fanboy once. Now I hate all ZvX matchups. If I watch GSL I can't find any satisfaction in cheering for any Zerg (except for the poor nooby Jaedong who has to learn a lot about the usage of Broodlords). The only thing I like is seening Zergs getting stomped before 14 minute mark. Not because of the winration afterwards - but because I don't like the "ZERGY" factor of free supply crawl armies. It just looks stupid. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:06 FeyverN wrote: I don't believe this, link your profile URL or sc2ranks. what's so hard to believe? Master guy with Master mechanics can play at Masters? Sounds pretty obvious to me... | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
Free units from the sky (broodlings) + units that cost only energy with tanky eggs while spawning + movable "static" defence, makes a fuckton of clusterfuck shit that doesn't even cost you real units but can kill real armies - any nerf to that is good. | ||
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TheKhyira
115 Posts
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Censured
Czech Republic1059 Posts
Lets just create absolutely overpowered units for each race, and somehow balance it around these units. I mean, look at broodwar - how was 75 mineral vulture with 3 spider mines balanced? How was lurker okay? What about reaver with its insane splash damage? In todays terms, these units are absolutely OP, but still, every race got few units like this, so it was ok. | ||
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:36 Big J wrote: what's so hard to believe? Master guy with Master mechanics can play at Masters? Sounds pretty obvious to me... Yeah but hes trying to make it sound like its imbalance | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:06 artosismermaid wrote: at the highest levels of play we are seeing balance across the races....PVZPVPZPVPZPZPZVPVPZ Yeah dude, GSL semifinals are totally PvZvPvZ. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:41 Censured wrote: Hey, just got an idea. What about instead of these small nerfs, like 5% damage here, 3% speed there... what if blizzard take the broodwar path - lets buff the infestor, give fungal 65 damage... buff the tanks, give them back their 70 damage, and make them much cheaper.... buff the colossus, for example make it attack slower, but deal 100 damage etc. Lets just create absolutely overpowered units for each race, and somehow balance it around these units. I mean, look at broodwar - how was 75 mineral vulture with 3 spider mines balanced? How was lurker okay? What about reaver with its insane splash damage? In todays terms, these units are absolutely OP, but still, every race got few units like this, so it was ok. reaver was powerful but incredibly immobile, the only units that have the same "strength with weakness" design in SC2 I can think of is....Marines. Yup. Cheap, versatile, high dps, but low health and tend to clump together so die easily to AoE. Meanwhile we have units like the infestor that have no weakness can are massed like marines in the late game, and Blizzard took away a Terran's ability to damage/kill Zerg in the early game. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
Seriously grow up. Don't stomp your feet, kicking and screaming, slamming your door, and complaining that it isn't fair. | ||
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