EPT- queens spawning with 100 energy -> blizzard decided to increase its range
- creep spread nerf and raven speed buff -> blizzard decided to do nothing
History would say these new changes won't make it
Call to Action: Balance Testing (2012/11/20) - Page 35
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
- queens spawning with 100 energy -> blizzard decided to increase its range - creep spread nerf and raven speed buff -> blizzard decided to do nothing History would say these new changes won't make it | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10163 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:38 SiroKO wrote: It seems people forget a crucial point of what makes Starcraft great. Everything needs to make sense to some degree. At the very least, not be illogical or confusing to non-expert viewers. Psi-storm killing stuff makes sense. Nuclear strike annihilating stuff makes sense. Vortex, stim.. all makes sense. Spells like EMP or PDD are already border-line spells, since new players wouldn't necessarily understand them (notice how smart casters usually show the mana of EMPed units). A fungal growth affecting a medivac but not a warp-prism not only doesn't make any sense, but is also 100% guaranteed to confuse pretty much every non-expert viewers/players (low diamond or below). Really ? Is that some kind of argument ? So they make snipe 50 damage to everything, because that psionblabla tag is weird and strange and confusing. | ||
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AimlessAmoeba
Canada704 Posts
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krawnicks
Germany46 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:38 Godwrath wrote: I heard broodlords are quite good at it. Which is the main reason you won't see ghosts when they spawn. Sigh, you are not even trying eh? So what is zerg supposed to do to deal with before broodlords? Don't forget they take quite a while to get considering the requirement? | ||
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sudosu
France120 Posts
About the HSM change : it will be fucking awesome in TvT, I think HSM timings could deliver some awesome games. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:36 Assirra wrote: So now i am curious, what is zergs anti caster unit supposed to be then with infestor clearly not being it? Broodlords? zerglings? hydra's? (LOL) I thought the whole point of the ghost/templar/infestor is they counter each yet now the infestor simply does not belong in that spot anymore. So every race should have an "anti caster" unit? last time I checked you don't need an anticaster in ZvT because there is no useful caster on Terran side. So your question would then be: "What do I do against HT?" ... | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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Guileful
Kazakhstan137 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:36 Assirra wrote: So now i am curious, what is zergs anti caster unit supposed to be then with infestor clearly not being it? Broodlords? zerglings? hydra's? (LOL) I thought the whole point of the ghost/templar/infestor is they counter each yet now the infestor simply does not belong in that spot anymore. Neural parasite a ghost and emp others:D | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10163 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:44 Assirra wrote: Sigh, you are not even trying eh? So what is zerg supposed to do to deal with before broodlords? Don't forget they take quite a while to get considering the requirement? And what does a terran when they can't use their infestor "counter" against infestor right now ? Have you tested this ? No ? Then go test and shut the fuck up already. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:46 Guileful wrote: Neural parasite a ghost and emp others:D can't neural what you can't see. with this change you can snipe overseers np without having to worry about getting funglad and unless the zerg has a spore nearby they will have no way to stop you. inb4 "you has broodlords!" | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: anyway, that's how the last two test maps went: - queens spawning with 100 energy -> blizzard decided to increase its range - creep spread nerf and raven speed buff -> blizzard decided to do nothing History would say these new changes won't make it Or history would say, It's about time! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: anyway, that's how the last two test maps went: - queens spawning with 100 energy -> blizzard decided to increase its range - creep spread nerf and raven speed buff -> blizzard decided to do nothing History would say these new changes won't make it Actually, 50 energy. I just want to clarify. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
people QQ zrg imba gsl code s ro16... yet wcs and toss.. patience my padawans let the balance become more evident | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:40 Godwrath wrote: Really ? Is that some kind of argument ? So they make snipe 50 damage to everything, because that psionblabla tag is weird and strange and confusing. Notice the "to some degree" in my sentence. Stuff like snipe dealing +25 dmg to psionic is already "kind of" bad game design, but it's not dramatic since it's never used against anything else anymore, plus newbies don't even notice it. Fungal growth not affecting warp-prism but medivac, hitting stalkers/zealots but not the sentries... can't be missed and is very confusing. I don't understand how you could think otherwise. I watched BW before playing it, and everything, with the exception of dark archon spells, made perfect sense to my newbie eyes. | ||
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Vague
170 Posts
On November 21 2012 11:21 Zoku wrote: What exactly is the point of making psionic units immune to fungal. HT's and ghosts still can't get close enough to to feedback/emp infestors because of broodlords. All they've done it make midgame protoss stronger, while leave lategame zerg as still an issue. Seriously, do these guys even play or watch the game? Cloak | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:27 Shiori wrote: If you can't tell what a Protoss army missing 30 supply looks like then there's no hope. What about a protoss army with 30 supply put, oh I don't know, somewhere out of vision? Or a protoss army missing 10 supply, that's about to warp 5 DTs in your main? Please try and stop writing every post with such ridiculous Protoss bias, it's pretty tiresome. | ||
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SamsLiST
Germany184 Posts
ginormous Protoss buff in PvZ: -much easier use of feedback -easier access of Archons to nearest toilett -speedprism basically unvulnurable microed -unnecessary(!) immunity to sentries more Protoss will prsim/dt harass and buy necessary time for carrier transition or forcing Zerg allins (already see wandering spines and spores) :/ | ||
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On November 21 2012 11:21 Zoku wrote: What exactly is the point of making psionic units immune to fungal. HT's and ghosts still can't get close enough to to feedback/emp infestors because of broodlords. All they've done it make midgame protoss stronger, while leave lategame zerg as still an issue. Seriously, do these guys even play or watch the game? Big +1. It's going to make the pre-brood lord 3 base timing stronger, while unaffecting the BL+infestor combo problem. There's no way HTs can approach that compo. It's gonna help with warp prism harass though, which I like. It'll also slightly buff DTs harass, since a nearby overseer will be a requirement to save an expo in construction. | ||
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