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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On November 20 2012 16:07 blade55555 wrote: Heh well hydras have been that way in sc2 for a majority of it  .Very informative interview :D Actually, for some reason people were making roach/hydra/corrupter vs toss even at the end of last year...didnt realize till like february 2012 that hydra's suck. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong748 Posts
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Hizzay
Canada31 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:07 Flonomenalz wrote: That was mostly because Parting went for the third instead of going straight into the natural, which is better for the Zerg. Also, Sen lost because he never denied Parting's third base after he stopped the all in, and stayed on 3 base far too long before taking a 4th, so Parting could recover. That line really interested me, so I went and double checked all the vods of Parting vs zergs at BWC. Every time he went for immortal-sentry, he always went for the 3rd, except for the 1st game vs Suppy. | ||
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pivor
Poland198 Posts
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Virid
United States130 Posts
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:16 whatevername wrote: I'm quite optimistic. This community really annoys me, more and more. Infestors are imba, nerf nerf nerf! OMG your considering nerfing them? I'm terrified, all is lost! Seriously one guy suggested we cant beat immortal sentry all ins if we dont fungal-- infestors are not a standard counter against immortal sentry all in...at all... HOTS will probably be really imba at first, and a lot of these changes to WoL units I expect to "blow up in their face" to be melodramatic, but the fact that there looking at it from a design stand point makes me optimistic. I'm perfectly fine playing 6 months of shifting balance if theres light at the end of the tunnel, and I think with a lot of these ideas and new units there probably is. i had played WOL for 2 years and i didn't see any light in the tunnel end... It's been 2 years and the game is still not balanced and it's going to phase out in a few months time... | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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Groovy112
Lithuania18 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:24 gengka wrote: i had played WOL for 2 years and i didn't see any light in the tunnel end... It's been 2 years and the game is still not balanced and it's going to phase out in a few months time... I think the balance reached a good place about a year in and was very good until about 6 months ago when it started to go tits up again. | ||
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L0L
United States176 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:28 Groovy112 wrote: Everytime Justin says "riiight" take a sip of a drink :D Except his names Dustin, right? | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
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whatevername
471 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:24 gengka wrote: I'm not hoping, expect, or want perfect balance. Heaven will not be in this life. What I want is a higher skill cap, and with that, a higher degree of strategical variance and meta game shifts, which through maps or otherwise, we the community can bridge the gap for balance for the most part. Thats all broodwar had. SC2 successfully had this variance for quite a while, its only been recently the game has become stultified and boring. If your so filled with despair, well, I dont really care. You wont be here in a month if thats the case and I'm not really going to plead with strangers to like a game they dont.i had played WOL for 2 years and i didn't see any light in the tunnel end... It's been 2 years and the game is still not balanced and it's going to phase out in a few months time... lol@ at the other guy, how dare they criticize marine king? wtf else do you expect them to do. People criticize blizzard for looking at balance purely mathematically because it ignores context, blizzard says they look at context and try to theory craft out mistakes as much as they can and people whine about that too. So I guess blizzard is, what, suppose to sacrifice 30 virgins every time they want to discuss balance? If they cant look at numbers and they cant look at context and figure it out with their own heads, the only thing left is magic. | ||
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Day9notdead
Russian Federation501 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:00 Fluid wrote: Why is he always so hyper in interviews? I get tired just listening to him speak. just shows he is thinking about these topics non-stop, so if he ever gets a chance to speak his speech flows like a freaking riverfall.. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11092 Posts
Protoss needs some semiserious changes with regards to its general power throughout the game. They need to fix toss early game by giving stalkers a gentle change then tweak zerg accordingly so that we can go back to when there was a greedy zerg style. Then maps could have some variety without being so damn skewed. Bad maps have had too much of an influence on the design tweeks. Listening to this interview there are some cool ideas and somethings sound like they've considered everything but their unorthodox changes sometimes feel like they are just ... too out there. Everyone talking about infestor broodlord as an issue from 6 months ago... Terran whine at lower winrates than what they were at start finally hit a crescendo. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:21 pivor wrote: Like they cant fix Reapers, Thors and Ravens now instead of waiting for HotS to excuse fact that Terrans get only 1 new unit. Fix them now and it might buff them to the point where Terran becomes OP, possibly for the rest of the competitive life of WoL since HotS in only 4 months away, which is not enough time for any major imbalances to be fixed by patches or figured out by players. | ||
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Fluid
Canada136 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:32 whatevername wrote: I'm not hoping, expect, or want perfect balance. Heaven will not be in this life. What I want is a higher skill cap, and with that, a higher degree of strategical variance and meta game shifts, which through maps or otherwise, we the community can bridge the gap for balance for the most part. Thats all broodwar had. SC2 successfully had this variance for quite a while, its only been recently the game has become stultified and boring. If your so filled with despair, well, I dont really care. You wont be here in a month if thats the case and I'm not really going to plead with strangers to like a game they dont. lol@ at the other guy, how dare they criticize marine king? wtf else do you expect them to do. People criticize blizzard for looking at balance purely mathematically because it ignores context, blizzard says they look at context and try to theory craft out mistakes as much as they can and people whine about that too. So I guess blizzard is, what, suppose to sacrifice 30 virgins every time they want to discuss balance? If they cant look at numbers and they cant look at context and figure it out with their own heads, the only thing left is magic. Except Dustin and his balance team are all gold/plat except dakim who is diamond. When you are at that level you can't judge a pro's play correctly and point out "what he could have done better". | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
Well... Why should they do it? PvZ sucks, but that's not a balance, but rather a design issue. Nerfing the infestor like that will just break the Match-up completely, all these timings the Protoss have right now are terribly strong and fucking hard to hold even with the infestor right now. I agree that the late game army of the Zerg are too strong, but PvZ can't be fixed with an infestor nerf, the two races need a redesign to fix this issue - nerfing will just result in a completely broken Match up. Right now, PvZ sucks, but both races have good chances to win the game - just not in the same stage of the game. Yeah, it sucks, but... Doesn't really seem to be imbalanced, in my opinion. ZvZ gets worse with these changes as well, infestors just won't die anymore at all. Nothing else to add. TvZ, where the Infestors are the biggest problem, is just absolutely NOt affected by these changes. I'd prefer some kind of buff to the ghost, ghosts should be the counter to infestors and well... atm that's not really the case. Dunno, but I don't undestand the reason why they should change the infestor like that. :-/ | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:36 Velinath wrote: Once again, I really think that Blizzard is hugely overreacting with their Infestor changes. It's been overbuffed and overnerfed more times than I can count - but quite honestly, I think making Psionic units immune is a terrible way to try and solve the issue. Specifically, I'm referring to Sentries and Warp Prisms, as I can't imagine defending some Protoss pushes without fungal. That said, I agree with the idea of making Fungal less ridiculous lategame - would a reasonable compromise be a slow on psionic units ? I know that still doesn't solve the underlying anti-micro issues with the spell, but it might go a good way towards balancing WoL as we move closer to HotS. They could just remove the Psionic attribute from certain Protoss units like the Sentry or Warp Prism. This would be a simple change that would affect nothing else, especially since Snipe doesn't affect those two units anyways. Although, Archon pushes might still be kinda strong. | ||
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