"Rock" comments about the Infestor (Blue post) - Page 20

On November 12 2012 14:12 DidYuhim wrote:
So, nothing to do in StarCraft 2 until BWC finishes.

Thanks, DB.

On November 12 2012 14:12 DidYuhim wrote:
So, nothing to do in StarCraft 2 until BWC finishes.

Thanks, DB.

On November 12 2012 12:09 xAdra wrote:
To the zergs still defending infestors:

I really want to know. Do you actually find them fun to watch? Do you find some sick pleasure in seeing P/T units unable to move, taking heavy damage, and being raped by broodlords? Do you actually feel proud for your pros, marvelling at the skill they needed to cast that simple spell (taking up no more than 2, maybe 3 actions)? Do you find it cool when the zergs are completely outplayed for the whole game, yet can have a ball to move across the map and kill the opponent, without so much as repeatedly using an aoe stunning spell on already stunned units?

Honestly, I couldn't care less about racial distributions in tournaments, or ladder distributions (which actually matter even less). If Zerg games were fun to watch, I'd be okay. As it stands now, only Leenock is remotely "fun" to watch, and that's because his early game aggression is innovative and skill-full, as opposed to the other zergs who just turtle to infestor broodlord, then win with minimal micro while the other player is forced to have perfect play, or else die. Terran at least has a composition that can go head to head with infestor/bl, even if it takes MUCH more micro to use than the simple amove+fungal composition. Protoss has to rely on the coin flippy vortex, which relies on the zerg being dumb enough to not neural or fungal the slow as crap mothership, or the zerg messing up significantly by clumping all the units together.

Right now, infestors are neither cool, balanced, fair, interesting, fun to watch, or require skill to use. I would fully support nerfing them to the ground and buffing less powerful zerg units, such as hydralisks and ultralisks.

On November 12 2012 14:14 TimENT wrote:
DB, whatever "data" you get, please ignore it. Watch the last 50 tournaments AND read the comments. Fungals are ruining SC2.

On November 12 2012 14:21 lbmaian wrote:


...so you're telling DB to ignore the data from the last 50 tournaments and comments?

On November 12 2012 14:14 TimENT wrote:
DB, whatever "data" you get, please ignore it. Watch the last 50 tournaments AND read the comments. Fungals are ruining SC2.

On November 12 2012 14:19 Ballistixz wrote:



do u find watching someone massing tanks and marines fun? do u find watching toss players massing a bunch of colos and A moving to win fun? do u find watching archon toilet fun?

exactly

let me put it like this to all of u infestor haters so u can understand how the zerg race works. play a few games as zerg against a serious protoss or terran player WITHOUT making a single infestor. once you do that come back and tell me all of the stupid and utterly digusting ways u have lost the game purely because u didnt make infestors.

On November 12 2012 14:14 poorcloud wrote:


Agree with this. Hate to be a whiner but the quality of games have really dropped for me. Blizzard reacted too quickly to nerf the tools that other races had but somehow taking their time on this.

On November 12 2012 14:19 Ballistixz wrote:



do u find watching someone massing tanks and marines fun? do u find watching toss players massing a bunch of colos and A moving to win fun? do u find watching archon toilet fun?

exactly

On November 12 2012 14:24 Ballistixz wrote:



please stop posting BS. fungals are not ruining SC2.

On November 12 2012 14:25 SniXSniPe wrote:


Okay, I've beaten protoss/Terrans as Zerg without infestors a number of times. What is your point? It's not impossible, although it may be more difficult depending on the scenario.


Don't even try using marine/tank in a comparison vs infestors. Marine/tank is far more interesting to watch because there is a higher degree of skill involved in positioning and control vs infestors.

On November 12 2012 14:31 Mataza wrote:

Just to chime in:
What composition doesn´t get totally screwed over by fungals?
For anti air, you don´t make hydras, you make infestor.
For harass, you burrow infestors into the enemy base.
For base defense, keep 1-2 infestors at home.
For defense against midgame armies, infestor.


It is evident that something else needs to be buffed when the infestor isn´t the "one size fits all" unit anymore.
You wouldn´t say the marine are awesome and balanced because right now terran rely on its strength, would you?

On November 12 2012 14:32 Ballistixz wrote:



positioning siege tanks behind ur army and then leaving them there to siege takes skill? once u position siege tanks u pretty much dont have to worry about them as long as u have an army to support them. infestors however u have to constantly worry about.

and marines are just not interesting to watch sorry. sure they may have there burst of good moments like splitting against banelings, but u can say the same thing about infestors. neither unit is interesting to watch unless a pro player utilizes them in a good way.

On November 12 2012 14:31 Mataza wrote:

Just to chime in:
What composition doesn´t get totally screwed over by fungals?
For anti air, you don´t make hydras, you make infestor.
For harass, you burrow infestors into the enemy base.
For base defense, keep 1-2 infestors at home.
For defense against midgame armies, infestor.


It is evident that something else needs to be buffed when the infestor isn´t the "one size fits all" unit anymore.
You wouldn´t say the marine are awesome and balanced because right now terran rely on its strength, would you?

What composition doesn´t get totally screwed over by fungals?

For anti air, you don´t make hydras, you make infestor.

For harass, you burrow infestors into the enemy base.

For base defense, keep 1-2 infestors at home.

For defense against midgame armies, infestor.

On November 12 2012 14:38 Ballistixz wrote:






thats a easy one. the protoss death ball.



no shit, hydras are the worse unit in the entire game right now. and it just so happens that it is our only form of ground to air AA unit aside from infestors.



zergs are capable of many types of harassment. drops, mutas, nydus, baneling run bys, ling run bys, etc. why do u just solo out infestor as the only form of harassment?



1-2 infestors is not going to defend an entire base unless u are stupid with ur medivacs and dont pay attention when u are dropping. that means not shift clicking + forget medivacs into a base. -_-



lets pretend infestors dont exist. what are zergs suppose to make against to combat death ball armies or marine+marauder+tank armies?