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On November 12 2012 04:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:28 Rabiator wrote:On November 12 2012 02:24 Valikyr wrote:On November 12 2012 02:19 SiguR wrote:
What a succinct and honest statement. I'm sad that the world championships might get fucked over because of the balance, but as long as we're constantly moving towards a better game, I'm happy. Changing the Infestor this close to World Championships would be a big mistake too though. I just hope they're not afraid to redesign the infestor more than nerfing dmg/supply. Fungal is toooo boring. Why? There are ALWAYS some championships or tournaments going on and someone will get screwed over by changes eventually. Thats the nature of changes that you have to adapt to them and that it takes time. Is "halfway through a GSL" a better time? Not really. Because it is not fair to switch u the game with less than 5 days to go. It wasn't fair when they did it during GSL and it wouldn't be fair now. We asked Blizzard to pay attention and not patch in the middle of tournaments. Now they are and the side effect is that if a balance patch is necessary, it will happen at the end of a major tournament.
Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change.
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On November 12 2012 04:45 trinxified wrote:
Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change.
You have no way of knowing that
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On November 12 2012 02:18 Glioburd wrote:
Oh I thought it was TheRock[3.33] haha.
Wow, that's old school.
I remember hanging out in op 3.33- and joining up in a micro tournament and he joined , I won.
Highlight of my life kthx
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On November 12 2012 04:45 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:43 Plansix wrote:On November 12 2012 04:28 Rabiator wrote:On November 12 2012 02:24 Valikyr wrote:On November 12 2012 02:19 SiguR wrote:
What a succinct and honest statement. I'm sad that the world championships might get fucked over because of the balance, but as long as we're constantly moving towards a better game, I'm happy. Changing the Infestor this close to World Championships would be a big mistake too though. I just hope they're not afraid to redesign the infestor more than nerfing dmg/supply. Fungal is toooo boring. Why? There are ALWAYS some championships or tournaments going on and someone will get screwed over by changes eventually. Thats the nature of changes that you have to adapt to them and that it takes time. Is "halfway through a GSL" a better time? Not really. Because it is not fair to switch u the game with less than 5 days to go. It wasn't fair when they did it during GSL and it wouldn't be fair now. We asked Blizzard to pay attention and not patch in the middle of tournaments. Now they are and the side effect is that if a balance patch is necessary, it will happen at the end of a major tournament. Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change.
It is weird how they would consider the dates of their own tournament when making balance changes. I wonder if Riot does the same thing. Wait, yes they do.
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On November 12 2012 04:48 MangoMountain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:45 trinxified wrote:
Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change. You have no way of knowing that
They never cared about tournaments to release patches.
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On November 12 2012 04:48 MangoMountain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:45 trinxified wrote:
Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change. You have no way of knowing that
Except history... There was a time when I thought they always wait 1 week before gsl finals to roll out patches
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BWC is only a week away, It's not the end of the world to wait one more week, we've been waiting for months already...
Ideally they could have made changes a long time ago but late is better than never.
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Funnily enough, they wait before patching but...
Koreans terrans got rolled off of TSL / WCS and whatever qualifiers because of the balance patch, they didn't wait the qualifiers to happen :o. (even though it was longer than a live event).
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On November 12 2012 04:50 Subspace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:48 MangoMountain wrote:On November 12 2012 04:45 trinxified wrote:
Blizzard is only waiting after WCS because that is THEIR tournament. If it was GSL/IPL/MLG/DH, etc. they wouldn't have waited to post what their plans are or quite possibly even the actual change. You have no way of knowing that Except history... There was a time when I thought they always wait 1 week before gsl finals to roll out patches
Like two years ago when they were patching far more often and a lot has changed since this. People complained and got what they wanted, a more involved Blizzard who is scheduling balance patches around major tournaments. No surprise, there are members of the community who are grumpy about that.
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On November 12 2012 04:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
Turning Fungal Growth back into a projectile is one of the better ideas IMO. It raises the skill cap of using Infestors which is badly needed IMO and gives players a way of actually microing against Infestors which is something that's also badly needed.
Other than that, I think they should at least TRY adjusting the supply cost of Infestors from 2 supply to 3. This will cut back on a lot of the mass infestor builds we've been seeing lately, and force Zergs into using them more strategically. not as a blanket catch all unit that counters everything.
the fungal still too fast to dodge, if it was a bit slower then it might be cool. However a nerf to ITs, FG is still a must.
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On November 12 2012 04:52 Poopi wrote:
Funnily enough, they wait before patching but...
Koreans terrans got rolled off of TSL / WCS and whatever qualifiers because of the balance patch, they didn't wait the qualifiers to happen :o. (even though it was longer than a live event).
It's very likely the very reason they're changing how they do the balancing is because they recognize their previous mistake and why it had such a bad impact on WCS.
Either way, I'm happy they're finally taking this approach to balancing as it is in my opinion the correct one. I just wish they would have taken similar approaches before they gutted snipe.
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just make infestors 3 supply. Nothing aggravates me more than a hard fought long battle in a tvz but all the gas saved up for the zerg allows him to make 30 infestors and instantly win the game
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must be hard to receive all this qqing, after you received qqing about being to fast. But a projectile would be interesting, seeing how good some people already dodge fungal with blink. I am curious if Zergs will use some of the abilities that make the Infestor Broodlord even stronger or if they abandon it (some should be know at least), like most strategies after a nerf.
Personal it comes to soon (some allin builds scream own me with neural and I want to see that) and its a big mistake to announce a nerf if you really want to gather data, because now people won't bother perfecting broodlord infestor or working on things that counter it. And saying we might not nerf it doesn't fix the peoples mind set afterwards.
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On November 12 2012 04:56 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:52 Poopi wrote:
Funnily enough, they wait before patching but...
Koreans terrans got rolled off of TSL / WCS and whatever qualifiers because of the balance patch, they didn't wait the qualifiers to happen :o. (even though it was longer than a live event). It's very likely the very reason they're changing how they do the balancing is because they recognize their previous mistake and why it had such a bad impact on WCS. Either way, I'm happy they're finally taking this approach to balancing as it is in my opinion the correct one. I just wish they would have taken similar approaches before they gutted snipe.
This is how I feel as well. Taking a slow approach is absolutely the right way to balance the game. It's just unfortunate that they didn't realize it until they had already messed up a lot of stuff.
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Projectile change would be good, gives a chance to micro away from it at least, I'm not sure about changing it to a slow spell instead of root as many people have said. The IT egg armor change would be good as well.
Just because they are considered OP now doesn't mean they need to be nerffed to extinction.
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On November 12 2012 04:56 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 04:52 Poopi wrote:
Funnily enough, they wait before patching but...
Koreans terrans got rolled off of TSL / WCS and whatever qualifiers because of the balance patch, they didn't wait the qualifiers to happen :o. (even though it was longer than a live event). It's very likely the very reason they're changing how they do the balancing is because they recognize their previous mistake and why it had such a bad impact on WCS. Either way, I'm happy they're finally taking this approach to balancing as it is in my opinion the correct one. I just wish they would have taken similar approaches before they gutted snipe.
that would depend on how the do the patching in the future as well
if they take action during a major tournament later, then... r____r
On November 12 2012 04:52 Poopi wrote:
Funnily enough, they wait before patching but...
Koreans terrans got rolled off of TSL / WCS and whatever qualifiers because of the balance patch, they didn't wait the qualifiers to happen :o. (even though it was longer than a live event).
other zerg matchups maybe? /shrug
maybe at least they should um...
try to do a beta/custom map to test it out during WCS' duration as well
idk
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If fungal is a projectile that does more damage that would certainly be interesting but I wonder what that would force in ZvZ. It seems it would make only unit that could deal with mutas hydras.
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It's the Infested Terrans that really tick me off and really screams imbalance:
1. More HP than Marines (no shields)
2. More DPS than Marines (no stimpack)
3. Eggs have double HP with 2 armor (more tanking)
4. When the eggs don't die, the units spawn with full HP anyway.
BTW, if the projectile will be the same as the video posted, it is still way too fast to dodge by most units. I can only think of Blink-stalkers dodging that, or the Zerg player missing inherently fast units like speedlings, mutas, or phoenixes only.
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On November 12 2012 05:04 trinxified wrote:
It's the Infested Terrans that really tick me off and really screams imbalance:
1. More HP than Marines (no shields)
2. More DPS than Marines (no stimpack)
3. Eggs have double HP with 2 armor (more tanking)
4. When the eggs don't die, the units spawn with full HP anyway.
That's a general mechanic across all zerg units. Banelings, Overseers, etc.
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