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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:19 Kakaru2 wrote: marines vs. colosssi. or versus high templars. high templar versus roaches. And these are just quick examples. But in the case of marines it's different anyway since it's a core unit rather than support/spellcaster. It's not really a problem that a 200/200 roach army is viable mid-game vs P for example. | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:22 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Ah but if you make EMP radius bigger then TvP is kinda screwed. I personally believe a change in fungal vs vikings/flying is good for TvZ, and in general perhaps remove the energy upgrade for infestors so they don't pop out ready to fight. A small change but it did a lot to ht. you can warp hts in an instant... infestor need like ages to pop + wait for energy...... | ||
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
It would make it more difficult for zerg to survive any midgame timings if infestors are dead weight, which is not the issue I see with the infestors. | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On November 08 2012 20:47 Insoleet wrote: In which case is it a bad idea to build marines ? In which case is it a bad idea to build high templars ? So biased... If you are maxed on infestors you have one of the most fierce armies in the entire game, if you are maxed on marines or high templars you will get smacked by almost everything. | ||
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:24 IMPrime wrote: but infestors have a 50 sec build time while HTs are only 5 seconds, I don't think it's the same thing. It would make it more difficult for zerg to survive any midgame timings if infestors are dead weight, which is not the issue I see with the infestors. Its easy to say all gateway units have a build time of a couple seconds. which is true if all gateways are off cooldown.. but look at the cycle, yes you can warp in in a few seconds, but then you have to wait for your warpgate cooldown. so i have to kind of disagree with you on this one. edit: also with the upgrade infestors come out and get to fungal right away. a fresh HT can only feedback. | ||
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Torra
Norway469 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:19 NesquiKGG wrote: If you nerf Infestor then nerf Blinkstalkers, Marines & tanks too Nerf tanks...I don't even... | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
I just feel like straight up slow is too much like time warp, not as conducive to zerg play, and less interesting overall. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:24 IMPrime wrote: but infestors have a 50 sec build time while HTs are only 5 seconds, I don't think it's the same thing. It would make it more difficult for zerg to survive any midgame timings if infestors are dead weight, which is not the issue I see with the infestors. Yeah, Warp-In means your Templar have 75 mana by the time the Infestor would hatch. There are drawbacks (HT can be picked off before they have 75 mana, whereas Infestors grow in nearly unkillable eggs) but also advantages (don't have to buy the mana upgrade, can cast Feedback or meld into Archon before the Infestor would hatch, can be on-location to storm before the Infestor since the Infestor spawns at base). The issue is that High Templar are simply not as good a caster as Infestors. On November 08 2012 21:32 LOLingBuddha wrote: Its easy to say all gateway units have a build time of a couple seconds. which is true if all gateways are off cooldown.. but look at the cycle, yes you can warp in in a few seconds, but then you have to wait for your warpgate cooldown. so i have to kind of disagree with you on this one. Warpgate cycle time and larva production time aren't really relevant to High Templar/Infestors. Your production should be limited by resources (150 gas each) rather than by larva or gateways. | ||
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GreenAndOrangeTurtle
Australia193 Posts
On November 08 2012 20:37 Jimbo77 wrote: 1. FG must not affect Air (indisputable) 2. FG must only slow units by 100% 75% 50% 25% every next second. 3. FG must affect friendly units (storm like) 4. NP must not affect Air (indisputable) 5. IT must cost 50 energy 6. IT can not be spawned while burrowed. 7. Burrowed move must be researched. 1. Not just disputable but wrong. They tried this in the PTR and ZvZ was muta v muta. Also in PvZ there is no way to stop phoenix unless you go hydra. There was a good reason why they didn't go forward with this. 2. Reasonable 3. Crazy for a race that relies on melee units. Would completely destroy infestor ling. 4. Reasonable 5. Only 4 per infestor would massively nerf infestor sneak attacks. 6. Same 7. Reasonable but i don't think that anyone is really concerned about this. I don't think we should just change things for the sake of change. I think the change to 3 supply is a much better change that addresses a lot of the late game strength of the unit while retaining the midgame strength which zerg need need to survive a lot of midgame attacks. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
When they cast fungal growth, make them "throw/fling" an egg filled with fungal goodness at the specified location on the ground, after a certain amount of time (I was thinking the same amount of time it takes storm to kill a marine or something I don't really know they'd have to play with this part of it) it explodes, doing what fungal does normally. A shorter fuse time it could just be like fungal always was and if they make a longer fuse time it could just do the damage fungal does normally but instant? Like a fungal bomb. | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:36 Severedevil wrote: Yeah, Warp-In means your Templar have 75 mana by the time the Infestor would hatch. There are drawbacks (HT can be picked off before they have 75 mana, whereas Infestors grow in nearly unkillable eggs) but also advantages (don't have to buy the mana upgrade, can cast Feedback or meld into Archon before the Infestor would hatch, can be on-location to storm before the Infestor since the Infestor spawns at base). The issue is that High Templar are simply not as good a caster as Infestors. Warpgate cycle time and larva production time aren't really relevant to High Templar/Infestors. Your production should be limited by resources (150 gas each) rather than by larva or gateways. He was talking about when HT had their energy upgrade. You could litterly warp in HT's in a couple seconds and mass storm. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
On November 08 2012 21:57 Elementsu wrote: Who are you to say the infestor is in need of balance? This is starting to look the the battle.net forums. you're right, none of us can say anything about balance of infestor.. what are we even doing here? i hope the sarcasm came though | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
Of course, this means the infestor should probably be weaker, but I feel like making the infestor weaker will just mean we see even more of them used to make up for that weakness T>T | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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