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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On November 12 2012 03:36 Snake.69 wrote: Dont change it; increase emp range on ghosts. Remove vortex, add a AoE long range EMP to mothership. big aoe, as big as vortex or recall even. Someone seems to have forgotten there's other matchups. That would fuck PvT so hard. No. | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
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KovuTalli
United Kingdom325 Posts
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eugalp
United States203 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
"PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On November 12 2012 09:08 RockIronrod wrote: Yes, if there's one thing Zerg has too much of, it's anti-air. Their compositions will totally not be absolute shit once they integrate hydras into them. Hint: They tried this before, and it didn't work for a reason. Not sure it didn't work, there was an organised outcry.. But this was back when zerg was regularly dying to unscouted air allins and the horribleness of tiny maps. Those aren't problems any more, souped up turbo-slowverlords, overseers and speedlings mean zerg has the most cost effective scouting options of all 3 races now. There have been a stack of void ray nerfs plus queens are more common now they can fight ground threats effectively. People have also realised IT's are actually strong so infestors are still pretty decent anti-air, they just dont guarentee free kills if within range when using IT's. Also the end game BLords means corruptors are never really a waste. I think its worth at least considering. Anything to get rid of this "one spell to kill them all" fungal. | ||
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Turbo.Tactics
Germany675 Posts
This would fix a lot of the issues concerning the current strategies. First of all it would make the "fungal effect" harder to pull off due to misclicks and positioning. Same as in broodwar basically... Secondly it would slow down the mass brood style because you'd lack serious damage without the new aoe of the corrupter. It's a tradeoff... do you want broods? well you have to cut down on aoe dmg then. Also it would make the corrupter an asset in your army instead of an a move unit. I know that this would also raise some questions concerning curropters vs vikings and mutaharass with 1-3 corrupters in the mix but then again...muta timings are slimming as it is and good turret placement and marines/thors could deal with it. In the lategame air Zerg could even be viable with mass muta then, depending on thorcount and marinesplits, even ravens this could get a lot more exciting then "broodwars" (pun intended). The biggest thing is that it rewards better control and therefore the better player. If this is still to hard of a combo Blizzard could also make the corrupters current ability an aoe so instead of working like bloodbath your infestor corrupter combo would only enable lings and ultras to kill the marines...not instakill them. Also infestors couldnt be used as your only tech option, not making them unuseful though. Snare then inf terrans would still be viable to kill drops or smaller forces. As David Kim stated in his last interview, the current Infestor is just poor design and my change would make the game more interesting and give room for some new timings and strategies. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On November 12 2012 14:13 Shinespark wrote: Speaking of changing the infestor, please change fungal's name to plague, so korean comentators can again go "PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" Dude how many times are you going to write that | ||
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WhatsInAName
United States49 Posts
On November 12 2012 10:01 Freeborn wrote: How about a poll option to remove damage from fungal OR remove immibilize? Remove immobility? Well, then it becomes like storm. Remove damange? Well, then it becomes like forcefield. Really. | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
On November 12 2012 14:38 mostevil wrote: Not sure it didn't work, there was an organised outcry.. But this was back when zerg was regularly dying to unscouted air allins and the horribleness of tiny maps. Those aren't problems any more, souped up turbo-slowverlords, overseers and speedlings mean zerg has the most cost effective scouting options of all 3 races now. There have been a stack of void ray nerfs plus queens are more common now they can fight ground threats effectively. People have also realised IT's are actually strong so infestors are still pretty decent anti-air, they just dont guarentee free kills if within range when using IT's. Also the end game BLords means corruptors are never really a waste. I think its worth at least considering. Anything to get rid of this "one spell to kill them all" fungal. It's a ZvZ thing, if you get rid of it being able to hit air, Zerg are going to be forced to react to mutalisks with their own mutalisks. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
On November 11 2012 06:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I don't see how fungal shouldn't affect it's own units... storm does so why shouldn't Fungal? That way you can't spam fungal on your own units just like you can't spam storms on your own zealot lines. You can also emp your own units like thors and medics, etc. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On November 12 2012 16:01 MugenXBanksy wrote: You can also emp your own units like thors and medics, etc. And most importantly, you can emp your own ghosts, which I have done to my cloaked ghosts a few too many times now  | ||
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
On November 11 2012 23:57 Rassy wrote: Infestor 3 suply should solve most isues i think. It definatly should be 3 suply btw, i thought it already was and realy suprised that its only 2 suply. Raven might be 3 suply as well, i dont think anny terran would care lol. If they make fungal slow (not sure this is needed) they should make it so that you still take at least all damage from the fungal, so not like you can move out of the damage zone like with storm, else fungal would be way to weak i think. We all remember 1 supply roaches from that beta right? And they still can mass those damn things lol. Zergs like to mass 6 things drones, mutas, roachs, infestors, lings and Broodlords. Or as I like to call them Brones, Broachs, Brofestors,Brolords, Brolings, and Brotas. On November 12 2012 16:09 convention wrote: And most importantly, you can emp your own ghosts, which I have done to my cloaked ghosts a few too many times now Save you from getting feedbacked I guess :/ I play toss btw lol | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
I'm gonna reiterate my idea, which is just a little twist on the basic long standing idea of changing fungal to a slow and increasing the damage, which I believe even IdrA has suggested. I'd also make the slow severe at first but wear off over the duration. This way, if you really want to lock down units, you have to spend a lot more energy, plus they can still sorta move. The pro for the affected units is that they can at least do something to mitigate the damage and bait out a response, so there is some fight for cost-effectiveness rather than chain fungal = done deal.. That reminds me of protoss players who don't bother to use extra forcefield unless the opponent keeps trying to get away Obviously, this is an overall nerf, so I'd increase the damage a little. It doesn't change the ability to lock down units too much, but you have to invest a lot more energy. This might make zerg too weak overall, especially at first, but with HotS around the corner, I'd just go with it and let the zergs from the end of year until HotS, unless that's particularly far away. | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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Ralethon
United States141 Posts
-Make fungal a projectile however a projectile that latches on and chases a single unit -Raise the energy cost of infested terrans to 75 and make them unable to move but give them +2 armor, 7 range and 8x the duration -Change the infestor from heavy to light and buff its health -keep the supply at 2 but raise the gas cost by 50 -Remove NP and replace it with an ability to defend itself and other units from the majority of projectile attacks -give the infestor flying Ah as i remember, It was in the bleak December and each somber dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.. Fuck!! A ghost! Oh wait terrans dont make those either. NVM <3 Ps. NeVerMore. | ||
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On November 12 2012 16:34 Ralethon wrote: -Change fungal so it does all its damage +15 up front but doesnt immobilize -Make fungal a projectile however a projectile that latches on and chases a single unit -Raise the energy cost of infested terrans to 75 and make them unable to move but give them +2 armor, 7 range and 8x the duration -Change the infestor from heavy to light and buff its health -keep the supply at 2 but raise the gas cost by 50 -Remove NP and replace it with an ability to defend itself and other units from the majority of projectile attacks -give the infestor flying Ah as i remember, It was in the bleak December and each somber dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.. Fuck!! A ghost! Oh wait terrans dont make those either. NVM <3 Ps. NeVerMore. Sorry but I like you're changes the least out of the few that I've read. Fungal doing more damage up front and no slow/ root makes it a storm for zerg.... which is just not what zerg does. Fungal being a projectile is cool and a lot of people have been suggesting this but why does it have to chase a unit. Ensnare and plague didn't and they were really sick. Increasing range / duration/ armor of IT would make them so good for denying expansions. This is just dumb. Sorry. Nerf them and don't give them any buff. Why keep supply at 2. we dont' want them to be massed and 200 gas infestors will still be massed, just at the cost of other units such as mutalisks, hydralisks, ultralisks... anything else. Because infestor is just that good. Actually... at this point you're either a hidden troll or just lack a solid understanding of the game so I won't even bother writing more. | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
one or another and im fine with that combined with 3 supply | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
On November 12 2012 16:23 Ansinjunger wrote: I don't see how making infestors 3 supply does much ultimately. So you have to build a few more overlords, and later zergs will begin the build 20 evo chambers and cancel trick and boom, they got that nifty old infestor count back. I'm gonna reiterate my idea, which is just a little twist on the basic long standing idea of changing fungal to a slow and increasing the damage, which I believe even IdrA has suggested. I'd also make the slow severe at first but wear off over the duration. This way, if you really want to lock down units, you have to spend a lot more energy, plus they can still sorta move. The pro for the affected units is that they can at least do something to mitigate the damage and bait out a response, so there is some fight for cost-effectiveness rather than chain fungal = done deal.. That reminds me of protoss players who don't bother to use extra forcefield unless the opponent keeps trying to get away Obviously, this is an overall nerf, so I'd increase the damage a little. It doesn't change the ability to lock down units too much, but you have to invest a lot more energy. This might make zerg too weak overall, especially at first, but with HotS around the corner, I'd just go with it and let the zergs from the end of year until HotS, unless that's particularly far away. Interesting idea, but I think it would have to be a little bit less than "severe" at first given that FG is 'only' a 4sec stun to begin with. I really don't understand why you would balance a small to modest stun nerf with a damage buff though. FGs damage is already really high. Does as much damage as a pretty well executed storm. | ||
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