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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On November 09 2012 22:23 Insoleet wrote: zerg has only melee and low range units. that's why you can't make their aoe spell damage their own units. Last I checked a perfect Zerg lategame comp had only Infestors, BLs and Infested Terrans, all are ranged. | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:16 President Dead wrote: These polls are essentially worthless because a basic question is missing entirely, "Should Infestors be changed?" This is basically an account of everyone who believes it should be changed, thus, there is no opposite representation which degrades these questions entirely and is completely bias. "This is basically an account of everyone who believes it should be changed" Yes, yes it is. That is after all, the point of the thread... It could just be me, but I would think that a thread asking for possible changes to the infestor should be biased towards listing possible changes to the infestor. If you want a thread asking if the infestor should actually be changed, go make a thread asking if the infestor should actually be changed - a completely unbiased and one-dimensional thread, where the only answers are yes/no, with absolutely no discussion. Don't continue reading this thread and complaining since you think it's unfair. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:16 President Dead wrote: These polls are essentially worthless because a basic question is missing entirely, "Should Infestors be changed?" This is basically an account of everyone who believes it should be changed, thus, there is no opposite representation which degrades these questions entirely and is completely bias. Wrong. You are free to vote No to every one of these changes. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
Make infestors 3 supply and maybe raise IT energy cost. Or completely remove IT and make that units that die to fungal turn into infested units. :p | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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Darroth
United Kingdom38 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 09 2012 22:24 S_SienZ wrote: Last I checked a perfect Zerg lategame comp had only Infestors, BLs and Infested Terrans, all are ranged. Isn't that exactly what we want to prevent? | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
Nobody even tries to go for anything else these days. Why should they? People are just stuck with the idea "zerg has no anti-air so we need infestors" that they don't even bother trying things out. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
- Increase the infested terran energy cost to reasonable amount which would not totally deny late game air play by toss. | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On November 09 2012 22:47 xuanzue wrote: what about to remove the free 3rds bases everywhere? the excess of gas (6 gas/3base) makes easy the mass infestor. I don't think that helps any as it introduces other issues. It starves protoss of gas making them even more dependant on 2 base timings. With low mobility and low firepower/forcefield depandancy they'll die to speedlings or mass muta everytime they try to take a third, thats why the thirds had to be moved silly close in the first place. If the maps aren't huge it may make mineral heavy terran bio over strong vs zerg unbalancing that matchup. When Z I'm usually pretty gas starved as it is vs good bio play. The close thirds are dumb but its how we acheived balance  Big issue is mass infestor endgame gives the best AoE spell in the game plus a potential 300 food army with only energy cost. I think the weak eggs + a food cost for infested terrans should make that go away. But I'd like to see some option to micro against /out of fungal too. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
BL/Infestor/corruptor isn't about connecting melee units, but unabling opponent to connect with your Broodlords safely. Melee units don't play a huge role there so you would be doing almost nothing, while nerfing zerg melee on midgame, which imho doesn't need a nerf at all. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On November 09 2012 23:01 Aelfric wrote: None of the above, mine is this: - Increase the infested terran energy cost to reasonable amount which would not totally deny late game air play by toss. Fungal plays a bigger role in that than IT imo since air units stack | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On November 09 2012 23:14 S_SienZ wrote: Fungal plays a bigger role in that than IT imo since air units stack No, fungal just doesn't hit too much and good protosses can manage fungal with good feedbacks so it's about skill. What fucks everything up is that these extra free units that doesn't cost anything and super strong vs air and gains upgrades too. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
Edit: Or perhaps increase the supply to 3 and give them a little bit more HP. However if fungal is slowed to a root, abilities shouldn't be able to be used either; because blink stalker would make fungal useless in that case. However that might be a problem, because no blink would also mean no stim. But yeahh.. It's complicated. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On November 09 2012 23:19 Aelfric wrote: No, fungal just doesn't hit too much and good protosses can manage fungal with good feedbacks so it's about skill. What fucks everything up is that these extra free units that doesn't cost anything and super strong vs air and gains upgrades too. You are just thinking on PvZ, and not on a optimal lategame situation for the protoss. TvZ fungal plays a big role against vikings, and it's actually quite decent against voidrays and carriers. | ||
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Rasmudd
Sweden127 Posts
On November 09 2012 23:23 Henk wrote: As a zerg, either changing fungal to a slow of 75% instead of a root, or make IT cost 40 energy sounds reasonable. I can't believe how many idiotic comments this thread brings up though, unbelievable. Edit: Or perhaps increase the supply to 3 and give them a little bit more HP. However if fungal is slowed to a root, abilities shouldn't be able to be used either; because blink stalker would make fungal useless in that case. However that might be a problem, because no blink would also mean no stim. But yeahh.. It's complicated. useless is a strong word. Still damage and the slow would still make them catchable unless they blink really smart. | ||
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mortales
174 Posts
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On November 09 2012 23:45 mortales wrote: I would add: to reduce infestor speed. At least while burrowed. T loses it's ghosts, P loses templars, Z keep it's infestors ez pz because they move underground like a reactive missle. Ghost's speed isn't reduced while cloaked, while should the infestor's speed be lowered? Burrow=Cloak, basically? | ||
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