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On October 27 2012 17:56 Sharean wrote:
I was hoping for some foreigner-seeds. Unfortunately, I don't really care about those kespa-guys. Since the meta-game grew kind of stale as of late, personality is what keeps me tuning in. :-/
Who other than Stephano is possible? There aren't many foreigners in Korea that haven't already gotten a seed previously with enough skill level to compete.
On October 28 2012 03:01 power-overwhelming wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 23:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 27 2012 21:29 vAtAZz wrote:
Now that KeSPA players are on SC2, they get all the seeds for Code S, interesting! It's a marketing tactic. No one else really deserves to be seeded.
There're non-kespa Korean players that arguably deserves a seed more.
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Why are people fine with seeding Soulkey but bitch with Baby's Seed?
Baby has clearly been better than Soulkey.
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On October 28 2012 18:44 sharkie wrote:
Why are people fine with seeding Soulkey but bitch with Baby's Seed?
Baby has clearly been better than Soulkey.
well, baby did get knocked out of code a by bomber. although soulkey failed to qualify ;p
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A bit sad that there are no foreigners in the tournament anymore. Looking back we have had several foreigners that did well for a season or two like Naniwa and Jinro, but they don't seem to have the staying power. To me it feels like their performance slump after a while in Korea. Why? Fatigue? Not really fitting into the culture? Homesick?
Regarding the Kespa seeds, I think it's a good idea even if it wasn't for the probable business deal. So far they have been doing really well with players like Rain. Mvp won that semi-finals with the slimmest of margins.
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On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents.
I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL.
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On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed  I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL.
He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans.
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Nerchio too, but he only cares about eu tournaments (wcs global is the one exception). This is why we never see him at gsl, ipl and mlg, even if he gets free travel and food.
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The more I think about this, the more I don't agree with it. I think seeding some Kespa players into the previous season was fine because it was a novelty and everyone wanted to see how they would do, but do we really need more Kespa seeds in Code S right now?
The original premise of the seeds was to give opportunities to tournament-winning foreign players (including guys like Violet who live and train overseas) to play in the GSL because otherwise they would have very little incentive to move out to Korea for two months and try their hand at the grueling qualifiers, with no guarantee of success. And I'm okay with that, I can see the marketing reasons and logic behind it.
But just like all the ESF teams, Kespa players are Koreans who live and train in Korea, and have the same chance as everyone else to play and qualify through Code B. In fact, we've already seen several of them do just that and then either make it to Code S or at least the Up & Downs this season. Why should two guys who played and failed in last season's qualifiers be given Code S seeds ahead of those who busted their ass in Code A and the U&Ds? If I were Supernova, MC, Flash or one of the other guys who narrowly missed out in the U&D matches, I would be pretty pissed that these two are being given a free ride. I'm not saying that Baby and Soulkey won't do well in Code S, I just think that giving additional Code S seeds to Kespa players doesn't match the original philosophy underlying the seeding system, and is kind of unfair to those players who narrowly missed out on a spot.
Is anyone else with me on this?
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Let's face it, it's a waste of money for foreigner pro to try to compete in GSL, they have almost no chance of winning, and miss plenty of opportunities to win tournaments during their time in Korea... Besides being far from your family/friends isn't easy.
I perfectly understand that they don't try anymore !
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On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL. He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans.
But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S.
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On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL. He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans. But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S.
Why? It is not like they hold a spot for him. He probably has an open-end invite and just let's GOM know before they have to decide the seeds. Once he confirms that he won't play, Gom just choose someone else. I am sure koreans reject foreign tournaments all the time. It is no big deal, they just invite someone else. It is the late minute pullouts that are problematic since they have to look from replacements on short notice.
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On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL. He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans. But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S.
He is worth an incredible amount to them. One foreigner in Code S, with the ability to compete, increases viewership and ticket sales more than any amount of 'deserving' Koreans.
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Tea-ja lmao Zerg-terran fusion!
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On October 28 2012 21:53 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL. He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans. But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S. He is worth an incredible amount to them. One foreigner in Code S, with the ability to compete, increases viewership and ticket sales more than any amount of 'deserving' Koreans.
Stephano has already rejected the Code S seed since Season 2.
He has made it clear he does not have any long-term plan in playing in GSL.
So i doubt we will see Stephano playing in GSL since playing in GSL takes away ample of time(months to be exact).
Nerchio has already rejected his seed because the guy doesn't like to travel outside Europe.
Other than these 2, no other foreigner deserve any Code S seed at all.
Kespa players seed are a strategic move since it is a way to integrate the Kespa and eSF players together.
It is much better to seed the Kespa players anyways since they are better than the foreigners with a few exception(Stephano,Nerchio,Naniwa)
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On October 28 2012 21:48 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:No Stephano seed I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents. I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL. He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans. But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S. Why? It is not like they hold a spot for him. He probably has an open-end invite and just let's GOM know before they have to decide the seeds. Once he confirms that he won't play, Gom just choose someone else. I am sure koreans reject foreign tournaments all the time. It is no big deal, they just invite someone else. It is the late minute pullouts that are problematic since they have to look from replacements on short notice.
Really?
I heard in a lot of interviews Koreans want to go foreign tournament.
But what prevent them from coming is because of schedule clashes and money.
Well if their flight ticket and accommodation are paid for,then they will go.
If not,they won't.
Simple
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Oh my! BaBy seeded to code s! I cannot be happier. But why? What did he do to earn this spot?
best
Kim
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It is still Slayers_Ryung? Not Axiom? Weird
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Interesting choices. I know Soulkey has been rumoured to be one of the best Kespa players, but imo Hyvaa should also be considered.
On a side note Soulkey's name is also Min Chul ^^
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On October 28 2012 21:00 FuRong wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I don't agree with it. I think seeding some Kespa players into the previous season was fine because it was a novelty and everyone wanted to see how they would do, but do we really need more Kespa seeds in Code S right now?
The original premise of the seeds was to give opportunities to tournament-winning foreign players (including guys like Violet who live and train overseas) to play in the GSL because otherwise they would have very little incentive to move out to Korea for two months and try their hand at the grueling qualifiers, with no guarantee of success. And I'm okay with that, I can see the marketing reasons and logic behind it.
But just like all the ESF teams, Kespa players are Koreans who live and train in Korea, and have the same chance as everyone else to play and qualify through Code B. In fact, we've already seen several of them do just that and then either make it to Code S or at least the Up & Downs this season. Why should two guys who played and failed in last season's qualifiers be given Code S seeds ahead of those who busted their ass in Code A and the U&Ds? If I were Supernova, MC, Flash or one of the other guys who narrowly missed out in the U&D matches, I would be pretty pissed that these two are being given a free ride. I'm not saying that Baby and Soulkey won't do well in Code S, I just think that giving additional Code S seeds to Kespa players doesn't match the original philosophy underlying the seeding system, and is kind of unfair to those players who narrowly missed out on a spot.
Is anyone else with me on this?
I've never been a big fan of Code S seeds. IMO just make an additional Up&Down group for the 2 seed spots and the Code A seeds have to do. But it is a smart business decision for them to attract viewership by inviting popular players.
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