Baby and Soulkey seeded into Code S

On October 26 2012 21:21 Fusilero wrote:
On other news DRG, happy and hyun have switched to protoss while parting and seed have switched to zerg.

On October 26 2012 21:21 Fusilero wrote:
On other news DRG, happy and hyun have switched to protoss while parting and seed have switched to zerg.

On October 26 2012 21:21 Fusilero wrote:
On other news DRG, happy and hyun have switched to protoss while parting and seed have switched to zerg.

On October 26 2012 21:23 ES.Genie wrote:

And Squirtle changed his name.

On October 26 2012 21:23 ES.Genie wrote:

And Squirtle changed his name.

On October 26 2012 21:21 Naniwa wrote:
the one i really wanna see in code S is Cj.Hero

On October 26 2012 21:31 Zeon0 wrote:
i wonder if stephano didnt get a seed or if he didnt take it

On October 26 2012 21:35 Laryleprakon wrote:
Poor Youngwha.

Win WCG Korea and no seed.

On October 26 2012 21:36 Fusilero wrote:

Given that reportedly IM mock him as "Korea's representative" I have a feeling WCG doesn't hold much ground amongst Koreans anymore.

On October 26 2012 21:40 DoeniDon wrote:
Korean Starleague coming up it seems :/

Hopefully some foreigners will get Code A seeds, though I highly doubt it ...

On October 26 2012 21:42 DARKING wrote:
Now that GOM has given seeds to kespa players twice in a row, I can only think of 2 posiblities:
a) there is some agreement with kespa to give seeds to their players for X amount of time, or
b) GOM is running out of players to give seeds to.
The Code S seeds were supposed to reward players that have good performances on foreign tournaments, but perhaps seeing how few foreigners are willing to go to korea and play in the GSL, they are stretching it. Honestly, in MvP invitational the kespa players had it easy since most of their opponents were foreigners, I'm not sure I agree if they really did use that tournament as the basis for the seeds this season.

On October 26 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:

Is there anyone who could actually do well there?

On October 26 2012 21:42 DARKING wrote:
Now that GOM has given seeds to kespa players twice in a row, I can only think of 2 posiblities:
a) there is some agreement with kespa to give seeds to their players for X amount of time, or
b) GOM is running out of players to give seeds to.

On October 26 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:

Is there anyone who could actually do well there?

On October 26 2012 21:47 NicksonReyes wrote:

c) GOM wants more Kespa fans to watch GSL. The UnD counters the Kespa players so hard that the only way to get them to Code S is by giving them seeds.

On October 26 2012 22:02 Mirrikh wrote:
Is this the first Korean only GSL ?

On October 26 2012 22:08 onPHYRE wrote:



there are no qualifiers left... They just had the last one, which is why this was posted and the seeds were announced...

On October 26 2012 21:53 DARKING wrote:

Perhaps, but seeing how 4 of them ran their way from code A to code S in a season, I don't think they really have that much problems.
On another note, players I would like to see them with a code S seeds for future season:
*Stephano, because he's Stephano and wins everything.
*Nerchio, who recently won a Dreamhack, and it is just rock solid.
*Alicia, 2nd place in both MLG arena and NASL.
*Sase, and that one I'm stretching it. While he has not won anything, he has shown good performance in past months.

On October 26 2012 22:16 Fragile51 wrote:


Stephano has been offered seeds ever since season 2 of 2012 as far as we know and he declined every time. Nerchio also got offered Code S seeds for last season iirc but he also declined. Alicia has been incredibly off and on with his performance and should therefor not be considered a Code S caliber player and SaSe already received two Code A seeds in the past where he lost 0-2 in the first round both times..

On October 26 2012 21:53 DARKING wrote:

Perhaps, but seeing how 4 of them ran their way from code A to code S in a season, I don't think they really have that much problems.
On another note, players I would like to see them with a code S seeds for future season:
*Stephano, because he's Stephano and wins everything.
*Nerchio, who recently won a Dreamhack, and it is just rock solid.
*Alicia, 2nd place in both MLG arena and NASL.
*Sase, and that one I'm stretching it. While he has not won anything, he has shown good performance in past months.

On October 25 2012 21:49 Grumbels wrote:
They could throw a bone to MLG and give a seed to the winner of the MLGvProleague invitational thing. I wouldn't mind seeing for instance Soulkey get a seed, he's really good.

On October 26 2012 22:17 DARKING wrote:

So did Naniwa, and see what happened to him

On October 26 2012 22:38 DARKING wrote:
Apparently Stephano has too busy of a schedule to be a able to play.

On October 26 2012 22:52 Mackus wrote:


ECWS, Some other tournament, Dreamhack and World WCS - That's just in November alone, GOM are only scheduling around the latter 2 so it'll be physically impossible to include the GSL in there.

On October 26 2012 22:52 tofuyuki wrote:
why did stephano reject every seed offered?..

I really want to see at least one foreigner given a seed into code s.. cmon.

On October 26 2012 21:31 Zeon0 wrote:
i wonder if stephano didnt get a seed or if he didnt take it

On October 26 2012 22:52 tofuyuki wrote:
why did stephano reject every seed offered?..

I really want to see at least one foreigner given a seed into code s.. cmon.

On October 26 2012 23:29 Fjodorov wrote:
Its quite obvious by now that EG is happy with everyone labeling Stephano as the n1 foreigner and they dont want to risk him being stomped in GSL. I also dont think Stephano is confident he will perform any results in GSL. He is not going to play in MLG either afaik. Quite telling imo

On October 26 2012 22:16 Fragile51 wrote:


Stephano has been offered seeds ever since season 2 of 2012 as far as we know and he declined every time. Nerchio also got offered Code S seeds for last season iirc but he also declined. Alicia has been incredibly off and on with his performance and should therefor not be considered a Code S caliber player and SaSe already received two Code A seeds in the past where he lost 0-2 in the first round both times..

On October 26 2012 22:52 Mackus wrote:


ECWS, Some other tournament, Dreamhack and World WCS - That's just in November alone, GOM are only scheduling around the latter 2 so it'll be physically impossible to include the GSL in there.

On October 26 2012 23:54 sitromit wrote:
Baby does seem like a poor choice, considering he was eliminated in the 1st round of code A last season. I guess GOM just offers the seeds to Kespa and they decide who they want to send.

On October 27 2012 00:00 sam05396 wrote:

no then kespa would only send no name players every time.

On October 27 2012 00:00 sam05396 wrote:

no then kespa would only send no name players every time.

On October 27 2012 00:17 covetousrat wrote:
Where is Stephano?

On October 27 2012 01:16 zTz wrote:
Soulkey the BW Zerg right? So good

On October 27 2012 00:48 vinsang1000 wrote:


Baby, a no-name ? I guess you miss the BW scene ! I'm very excited to see him in code S

On October 27 2012 02:04 Rube_Juice wrote:
And people want Terran buffed... LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS PEOPLE

On October 27 2012 02:41 Rube_Juice wrote:
That's because foreigners are terrible, myself inclusive

On October 27 2012 02:33 vthree wrote:


And yet, foreigner terrans have been behind their Zerg and Protoss counterparts for 2 years.

On October 27 2012 03:12 Noocta wrote:
Yeah, wasn't Stephano supposed to play in this code S actually?

On October 27 2012 03:17 Daswollvieh wrote:
Kespa was right to fuck around. If this continues, who´s gonna watch OSL and Proleague anymore? Daaaaamn

On October 27 2012 02:33 vthree wrote:


And yet, foreigner terrans have been behind their Zerg and Protoss counterparts for 2 years.

On October 27 2012 04:09 phodacbiet wrote:


Yeah.. that means foreign terrans are bad. Even when KR terrans were dominating tourneys, foreign terrans were still losing, what does that tell you?

On October 27 2012 01:41 sam05396 wrote:

i never said he was a no-name, i am saying if gom just let kespa pick who they were sending, that they would pick no names every time

On October 26 2012 21:31 Zeon0 wrote:
i wonder if stephano didnt get a seed or if he didnt take it

On October 27 2012 07:18 glzElectromaster wrote:
Finally GOM says SK Telecom T1, not SKT1 >.<

So many people get it wrong.

On October 27 2012 07:27 Monochromatic wrote:


Probably was forced to deny it due to it being in October.

On October 26 2012 23:33 LighT. wrote:
They rushed it...
Should have given it a bit more time before deciding who to seed.

On October 27 2012 07:57 Derez wrote:
Meh.

I'm not a big fan of seeding in players, let alone players without recent (big) accomplishments. Feels like wasted spots when all of these guys are perfectly capable of duking it out in the prelims.

On October 27 2012 07:59 Xoronius wrote:
Soulkey is a reasonable choice, but Baby... what is a bigger sign of not belonging into Code S than losing in the first round of Code A? They should have invited Yonghwa (assuming Stephano declined) instead or give away one more spot in the up&downs, but this just seems weird. You don´t get a seed in grandmaster, after you got demoted to diamond either.

On October 27 2012 08:06 sitromit wrote:
What's interesting is that the guy who knocked him out couldn't make it into Code S either. I would be upset if I were Bomber. It feels kind of unfair.

On October 27 2012 08:10 andaylin wrote:

Bomber? The guy is like the epitome of inconsistent.

On October 27 2012 08:12 sitromit wrote:


So what? He beat Baby and knocked him out of Code A this very season, and he's still in Code A, while Baby gets to go to Code S. I mean if they seeded him 1 season later, it wouldn't look this bad, but now...

On October 26 2012 21:25 HaXXspetten wrote:like Gom has ever been able to spell it correct

On October 27 2012 09:37 Waxangel wrote:
Stephano has successfully dodged Code S for a year, neat

On October 26 2012 21:42 Kasaraki wrote:
Christ, that table is even worse on the second viewing. >_<

Ah well, I thought GOM would be more careful with their seeds after Jaedong disappointed as strongly as he did last time, but should be fun anyway. Not the seeds I wanted, and I don't agree with the pick of Baby, but what can you do...

On October 27 2012 08:12 sitromit wrote:


So what? He beat Baby and knocked him out of Code A this very season, and he's still in Code A, while Baby gets to go to Code S. I mean if they seeded him 1 season later, it wouldn't look this bad, but now...

On October 27 2012 09:49 Goldfish wrote:


Jaedong was close in two of the series.

Against MC:

1. He was about to win the first game (the first VOD is free of his game I think). He over extended a few times and ended up losing a huge advantage. Even though he lost, the game showed he had the capabilities to match with MC and win it.

2. Second Game - He was preparing a huge roach drop but ended up splitting his army in half against MC. MC attacked while most of his roaches were in overlords.

If he had his army together, the game would have been different (the game wouldn't have ended for him there).

Same as above - MC didn't sweep him easily in the series. Jaedong showed he was Code S material.

Against MKP:

1. First game did well and won.

2. Second game got cheesed and almost defended it.

3. It ended up being a base race and "AGAIN", he "almost" won >.<.

Jaedong had bad luck IMO.

He almost won in all the games but ended up losing.

On October 27 2012 10:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

This is a pretty incredible post. You've spun Jaedong's 1-4 Code S dropout performance into him being some kind of victim of circumstance, like he wasn't outplayed, but merely unlucky. You've cited "if", "cheese," "bad luck," and also suggested that MC got a hard-fought sweep, which seems to be an oxymoron.

On October 27 2012 10:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

This is a pretty incredible post. You've spun Jaedong's 1-4 Code S dropout performance into him being some kind of victim of circumstance, like he wasn't outplayed, but merely unlucky. You've cited "if", "cheese," "bad luck," and also suggested that MC got a hard-fought sweep, which seems to be an oxymoron.

On October 27 2012 10:20 BraveProbe wrote:
Oh god the Parting fungals.

On October 27 2012 10:56 MateShade wrote:
This is quite honestly a total joke. If they're good enough let them prove it through code a. Completely unfair seeds

On October 26 2012 21:25 ZAiNs wrote:

As did TaeJa.

On October 27 2012 11:35 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Go watch MvP semifinals, soulkey vs soo zvz, great game and very entertaining.

The battles are free units vs free units for 10 mins, lol.

On October 27 2012 12:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

Is it as unwatchable as that game 3 on MCSL between Scarlett and... some other zerg...?

On October 27 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:
hope GSL releases groups soon, the people on mon/tues don't have much time to prepare haha

On October 27 2012 13:01 GhostLink wrote:
No Stephano seed

On October 27 2012 21:29 vAtAZz wrote:
Now that KeSPA players are on SC2, they get all the seeds for Code S, interesting!

On October 27 2012 23:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:

It's a marketing tactic.

On October 28 2012 08:21 _Hackz_ wrote:
what is a sponsor seed and how did they get one

On October 28 2012 08:21 _Hackz_ wrote:
what is a sponsor seed and how did they get one

On October 28 2012 08:37 scCassius wrote:


who is your daddy and what does he do

On October 27 2012 17:56 Sharean wrote:
I was hoping for some foreigner-seeds. Unfortunately, I don't really care about those kespa-guys. Since the meta-game grew kind of stale as of late, personality is what keeps me tuning in. :-/

On October 28 2012 03:01 power-overwhelming wrote:

No one else really deserves to be seeded.

On October 28 2012 18:44 sharkie wrote:
Why are people fine with seeding Soulkey but bitch with Baby's Seed?

Baby has clearly been better than Soulkey.

On October 27 2012 13:08 vthree wrote:


I am pretty sure Stephano just wasn't able to fit it into his schedule. His November schedule is pretty crazy with tournaments every weekend on different continents.

On October 28 2012 20:24 GolemMadness wrote:


I'm pretty sure he's never going to play in the GSL.

On October 28 2012 20:38 speknek wrote:

He gets invited every season, but I think he declines for strategical reasons. It's better for him to keep this mysterious vibe around him whether he can or can't compete in code S, whereas if he accepts and plays he will get stomped and maybe lose fans.

On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:


But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S.

On October 28 2012 21:29 MyFirstProbe wrote:


But there is going to be a point that GOM thinks: "Screw it, we don't invite him anymore." and then he has to qualify via code B->code A-> code S.

On October 28 2012 21:53 Solarsail wrote:


He is worth an incredible amount to them. One foreigner in Code S, with the ability to compete, increases viewership and ticket sales more than any amount of 'deserving' Koreans.

On October 28 2012 21:48 vthree wrote:


Why? It is not like they hold a spot for him. He probably has an open-end invite and just let's GOM know before they have to decide the seeds. Once he confirms that he won't play, Gom just choose someone else. I am sure koreans reject foreign tournaments all the time. It is no big deal, they just invite someone else. It is the late minute pullouts that are problematic since they have to look from replacements on short notice.

On October 28 2012 21:00 FuRong wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I don't agree with it. I think seeding some Kespa players into the previous season was fine because it was a novelty and everyone wanted to see how they would do, but do we really need more Kespa seeds in Code S right now?

The original premise of the seeds was to give opportunities to tournament-winning foreign players (including guys like Violet who live and train overseas) to play in the GSL because otherwise they would have very little incentive to move out to Korea for two months and try their hand at the grueling qualifiers, with no guarantee of success. And I'm okay with that, I can see the marketing reasons and logic behind it.

But just like all the ESF teams, Kespa players are Koreans who live and train in Korea, and have the same chance as everyone else to play and qualify through Code B. In fact, we've already seen several of them do just that and then either make it to Code S or at least the Up & Downs this season. Why should two guys who played and failed in last season's qualifiers be given Code S seeds ahead of those who busted their ass in Code A and the U&Ds? If I were Supernova, MC, Flash or one of the other guys who narrowly missed out in the U&D matches, I would be pretty pissed that these two are being given a free ride. I'm not saying that Baby and Soulkey won't do well in Code S, I just think that giving additional Code S seeds to Kespa players doesn't match the original philosophy underlying the seeding system, and is kind of unfair to those players who narrowly missed out on a spot.

Is anyone else with me on this?

On October 29 2012 05:10 Dontkillme wrote:
It is still Slayers_Ryung? Not Axiom? Weird

On October 29 2012 03:18 lookfirewood wrote:
Oh my! BaBy seeded to code s! I cannot be happier. But why? What did he do to earn this spot?

best
Kim

On October 29 2012 06:31 GreEny K wrote:
Stork where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?

On October 29 2012 05:35 jobber123rd wrote:


44-4 in 2012 MLG vs Proleague Invitational/Regular Season