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This is obviously a thread that was inspired by the Dota 2 QQ thread. With the introduction of Dota 2, the game has had an influx new players with no prior experience to the the DotA map mod as many veterans have in WC3. As a result many players experience much grief due to the inexperience of new players to such an unreasonable degree that they find it almost impossible to contain their grief. So as an outlet, the QQ thread was born.
Here I will do the same for SC2. Although SC2 is primarily considered a 1v1 game, there are many who play team games. If you wish to refute the discussion of team games because of how invalid they are in competitive play, then please take your case to the many "Doomsday" SC2 threads that are floating around. You may find that SC2 is slightly lacking in the casual department that many of us working individuals dwell in (if you are in a different department then good for you!).
But of course this does not only pertain to team games, but also to 1v1 and possibly custom games. If there is grief over a 1v1 game, let us not turn the thread into a terrible balance whine with players attacking one another, because then I would have to report my own thread to a mod, which would suck. We're all simply here to share our grief and sympathize with each other.
Alas here is my QQ that pushed me into creating this thread.
I played a 2v2 which was a PZ v TZ with me as Zerg on the PZ side. The team we were up against were a pair of very BM individuals looking to boast their ego in team games as they were Low Master Players with very few games played during the season (less that 5 won games). So I really wanted to win since I was formerly an active 1v1 mid-master player with many games under my belt, from hindsight my desire to win a team game was probably my downfall.
The game starts out with my teammate opting to go for a proxy 2 gate which did very little damage. I attempted to supplement his rush with large amount of zerglings and banelings but I had to pull back because my opponent had built 3 bunkers and a couple of banelings in defense (of course I did not suicide my offensive force and saved them for mid-game antics).
So with the once competitive mindset I used to have while laddering 1v1 before switching to DotA 2, I quickly understood that it was pointless to continue on the offensive and focus on my macro in order to make something happen later in the game. It turns out that the drills that I've done for practice were left instilled in my mind after so long, so I ended up completely outmacroing my Zerg opponent in units, upgrades and economy. For his Terran partner, if it were a 1v1 situation, the game would've been a joke for me,.
Well what made me QQ? My Protoss partner had done jack fucking shit. He remained on 2 base, tier 2, lack of upgrades and terribly small army size despite the amount of time we had spent in the game. Let you remind you also that it was my army reserve that thwarted any attacks from both opponents, leaving my protoss ally to do whatever he wanted to do. When you're entering the late game with a handful of colossus and a few stalkers, I'm firmly led to believe that you're AFK. Because I would think that a normal human being with a good education and a sound mind would be capable of spending your surplus of resources.
Nevertheless the game went to a point of no return for me and I decided to have a last Hurrah after some banter announcing my displeasure with my teammate. Soon after my army was defeated and ridiculed despite being 2v1, adding salt to my wound my teammate sequentially left the game promptly indicating that he was there the entire time despite my cries for assistance (I asked VERY kindly mind you).
In the end my egotistical opponent accomplished their goal of increasing their e-peen as well as getting a good laugh out of my deplorable game. I must say, after all the thick skin I had developed over the 2 years of playing SC2 since release, that little predicament left me rather saddened, even to the extent of creating this thread.
Oh woe is I. I hope you guys share your own stories so that my thread does not look like a disguised rant thread =( Surely we've all been in those situations, and can lend you a shoulder to lean on.
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For a second I thought this was the Chinese SC2 correspondence thread to share QQ accounts...
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first of all, you are in the fault for raging so hard over a game
second, your teammate might just be a bad player, dont need to rage over him, what if next game you play with a high masters guy or something and he makes another thread stating how bad you are?
thirdly, while your opponents may be bm and cocky, so are a shitton of ppl, you probably are too, since most ppl rage cause of ego......
so, instead of raging and qqing on this thread, look at the brighter side, at least you know you did decently in the game, hope for a better partner and then just put this game to past
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
There is already so much QQing everywhere about everything lol
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On October 25 2012 16:18 X3GoldDot wrote:
first of all, you are in the fault for raging so hard over a game
second, your teammate might just be a bad player, dont need to rage over him, what if next game you play with a high masters guy or something and he makes another thread stating how bad you are?
thirdly, while your opponents may be bm and cocky, so are a shitton of ppl, you probably are too, since most ppl rage cause of ego......
so, instead of raging and qqing on this thread, look at the brighter side, at least you know you did decently in the game, hope for a better partner and then just put this game to past
Mm I expected a response like this so I understand how your perspective of me is. My days of raging are long gone, and I mean really I used to rage hard, I made QQ's blogs that got me banned for 3 days. I was just really sad from this game, I wanted to win which was admittedly my fault and after failing after that commitment I could'n't help but feel sad.
However, I disagree your argument against the creation of this thread. The Dota 2 QQ thread was allowed with situations exactly as you have described arising. I myself am one of those Dota 2 noobs that people will complain about. You just have to take that QQ with a positive outlook. Those guys don't look for every opportunity to put you down, it's only your fault that they have done so. If you want to be a better player then that's just the attitude you have to adopt. I mean how else did I promote myself to Masters from diamond?
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Russian Federation81 Posts
This is why I personally gave up team games in SC2. Rather be a 1v1 diamond scrub with a life, at least I know that no one can screw with my results in my games.
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Fuck Zerg's, they're still complain about Protoss and Terran while Zerg is winning every shit...
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The last thing we need is to make SC2 similar to DOTA wrt to QQ. Don't encourage it.
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On October 25 2012 16:47 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
The last thing we need is to make SC2 similar to DOTA wrt to QQ. Don't encourage it.
Arent you... qqing about qqing?
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Excellently written OP Mr Snuggles!
I wish I had some actual QQ to contribute but I'm not really the kind to QQ; I just fucking love the game.
My only gripe is the silliness of late game battles in general; I wish they could last more than a handful of seconds. Everything does so much damage / is so weak. Oh well, timings ftw!
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QQ thread, I think this is pointless and QQ is just annoying.
I think this should be taken down
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These kind of thread belong in battle net forums where they are legion . I hope this one will be closed since team liquid is a community with a positive mindset ( for the most part).
This leads nowhere and nothing good can come out of this. If you can't stand playing with guys that are worse than you, don't play random team games ...
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Please close the thread. QQ is already over the top. We don't need another place.
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On October 25 2012 16:12 Caihead wrote:
For a second I thought this was the Chinese SC2 correspondence thread to share QQ accounts...
That was my first thought as well, turns out I was gravely mistaken. I would have preferred the former.
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Zerg is broken as shit. I lost because he can base race with zerglings and mutas while i have to sit in 1 place with all my units and defend. Zerg takes no skills and all they do is fucking macro. no micro needed to play this shitty race. Oh fungal is micro? sorry putting infestors in another group and moving them around is super hard. fucking noob race. TL;DR Zerg is OP QQ.
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Austria24417 Posts
I hate how people can flame me, then block me and then continue to spam me while I can't reply! Blizzard pls consider nerfing bunkers to address this problem /QQ
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heres a sum up of my opinion about the newly established opinion about Zerg and the way the community started to express themselves, thus looking more like a Moba community than a respected RTS-community.
Also, I write a few words about the way players in general are acting, their mindset and what can possibly be improved. Read at your own risk.
Warning: Spoiler contains alot of cursing and unconstructive raging/bming!!!
+ Show Spoiler +retarded idiots who makes a billion mistakes, doesn't understand the game (e.g u cant do an allin and then have as good macro as your opponent without doing some fucking damage!!!)
Yet they feel the need to scream out their retarded, uneducated opinions "uuuuuh op idiot" everywhere!!! ALL OVER forums they have a massive shitfest of crying and raging rather than improve their own fucking gameplay..Think outside the box, for instance infestors are only the outcome of a HORRIBLE design, complain about the effing game rather than tiny details u imbecills..buffoons....dimwits....analcrunchers etc etc etc...
TO all of you who thinks its okay to act like this just because you're behind a computer, I sure hope that ure more rational in real life, or this will truly become the dark ages... When you hit something hard with the ear-cleaners, stop poking! imbreds and racists everywhere, narrowminded assholes who should never ever be able to vote in anything anywhere...
ALSO; Remove the cap on ignorelists... I dont want to get ranted every fucking day because my ignore list is full of other bmers/ragers...
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I accidentally double posted.
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interesting how when faced with thousands of other gamers who share a hobby we BM and troll each other.
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My QQ is more meta: I've always wondered what this community would be like if it had the fighting game community's attitude toward change -- it basically can be summed up like this: http://www.brokentier.com/products/adapt.
I've always wondered if people just kinda kept at it and weren't so vocal and whatnot, would the game really be "unplayable"? I'm pretty sure (like 99% sure) that it's apples/oranges and yes, it would be different -- but still, I wonder about it sometimes. *shrug*.
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Hm some reason this didn't post the first time, unless I put it in wrong thread. Just some Terran Q.Qing =D
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On January 02 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I hate how people can flame me, then block me and then continue to spam me while I can't reply! Blizzard pls consider nerfing bunkers to address this problem /QQ
I love this. It indicates mental weakness on the part of the spammer. Being chat-blocked is a point of pride, ultimate proof that that they can't handle hearing the truth.
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The fact that you can't fucking turn off in-game chat just to avoid BM but you can ignore players individually still kind of irks me. As well as the inability to hit ESC when the goddamn friend's menu is up. That shit makes me explode.
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On January 02 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I hate how people can flame me, then block me and then continue to spam me while I can't reply! Blizzard pls consider nerfing bunkers to address this problem /QQ
This is probably the most annoying and hated part of playing ladder. WHY CAN I NOT REPLY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE YELLING AT ME!??
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Nerf mineral patches ffs... QQ
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On October 25 2012 16:31 Snuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:18 X3GoldDot wrote:
first of all, you are in the fault for raging so hard over a game
second, your teammate might just be a bad player, dont need to rage over him, what if next game you play with a high masters guy or something and he makes another thread stating how bad you are?
thirdly, while your opponents may be bm and cocky, so are a shitton of ppl, you probably are too, since most ppl rage cause of ego......
so, instead of raging and qqing on this thread, look at the brighter side, at least you know you did decently in the game, hope for a better partner and then just put this game to past Mm I expected a response like this so I understand how your perspective of me is. My days of raging are long gone, and I mean really I used to rage hard, I made QQ's blogs that got me banned for 3 days. I was just really sad from this game, I wanted to win which was admittedly my fault and after failing after that commitment I could'n't help but feel sad. However, I disagree your argument against the creation of this thread. The Dota 2 QQ thread was allowed with situations exactly as you have described arising. I myself am one of those Dota 2 noobs that people will complain about. You just have to take that QQ with a positive outlook. Those guys don't look for every opportunity to put you down, it's only your fault that they have done so. If you want to be a better player then that's just the attitude you have to adopt. I mean how else did I promote myself to Masters from diamond?
I feel the whole "have to QQ" (venting or things like that) is really misused.
I remember reading a cracked article (before anyone says anything, they cited reliable and credible sources) that said that venting only reinforces the problem and that the best way to deal with anger, rage, etc is to sort of let it slide.
I mean, I've had my share of bad team mates, and I remember playing a new alt account on Dota 2 (then getting matched with people with few wins too) and having problems with teammates feeding and not listening, that did frustrated me of course but not that much.
Overall, I feel adopting a don't rage and just have a "ehh, whatever" or "just something I have to deal with" attitude is better than raging or venting. I mean this in general actually, not just related in video games but society in general. There obviously be less crime or less problems if people were less impulsive and felt the need to rage or vent ever time something bad happens.
Plus again... that cracked article (which cited reliable sources) totally provided evidence that it's actually not good to vent....
So while I like the concept of the thread, I am against the idea of "having to vent" or "needing a place to vent" in general >.>. Again, if you manage to adopt that attitude of not needing to vent or be angry, then it's good. It's good for everyone in a lot of situations in general IMO, not just in gaming.
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I really hate the Lyote. He interrupted my unit pathing in MLG once, and my 4gate failed. Would have been champion if that hadn't happened.
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Fuck Mines there is no skills to them, all terrans have to do is make mines and make vikings and they're impervious to all protoss units. its fucking retarded and blizzard needs to understand that these fucking ranged miens are dumb as fuck and has no palce in the game. they control area like a mofo and has no fucking idea how broken it is when a unit that barely costs anything can fucking 1 shot a stalker which costs nearly triple in mineral and double in gas. FUCK YOU BLIZZARD MAKE BALANCED GAME
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I really hate Protoss as a race.
The concept of warp gate is actually REALLY cool until you notice how abusive it is, completely bypassing map size etc. You can't cut off reinforcements, your counter attacks are defended by a few warp ins.
Then late game mass zealots warp prism harass is SO STRONG. It's unbelievable hard to kill off these mineral dump units and they often can do a lot of damage and requires a really low level of attention to execute.
Terran is so much better to play against because it is fun to multi tasking. marines drops need great multi tasking, with high attention and has lots of purposes, like dealing econ damage when army is out of place, drawing the enemy army position etc.
Protoss mass warp in is like "oh hey, let's dump the minerals for some damage".
Another is Forcefields.
It's amazing to watch a protoss landing perfect forcefields as defensive purposes. But it is also extremely frustrating to watch them getting abusive.
It's one click to kill an opponent (forcefield the ramp) that has made one single positional mistake.
Immortal sentries all in are basically the zerg hoping to bait some forcefields (in the risk of losing a chucks of his units), then hoping he has enough units to outlast those forcefields and still have enough to take down the army.
You can't stop the push going into a nice choke points for the forcefields, and once the engagement starts, you are just watching the protoss landing the forcefields while you can't do anything but make more units.
Right now we have like 1 amazing games showcasing cool forcefields in like 100 games.
The deathball is actually quite mobile as well. That's the biggest problem I have with it.
The combination of a mobile deathball with all the powerful splash damage that allows the Protoss to engage more favorable is crazy.
Now add the new void ray charge, tempest. Blizzard says pros are not baiting and backing off from the void ray charge? It's because you can't back down forever, while the void rays are charged, the protoss deathball is getting closer to an even better chokepoints and watch all those splash damage landing everywhere.
To summarise, Protoss matchup is like bruteforcing everything as long as the upgrades are there
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Bisutopia19237 Posts
I'm tired of ignorant people saying the wrong facts about Bisu. Why can't everyone just watch all his damn games since 2006 like I have so I don't have to keep correcting them every time the speak wrong of him.
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why the fuck is everyone on flash's cock for being god and then when he doesn't live up to hype they're on his cock because "he lost, must be blizz fault." fuck those fanboys man. I swear I hope flash just crashes and burns just so they can shut the fuck up
also fuck zvp
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On March 01 2013 13:23 Thienan567 wrote:
why the fuck is everyone on flash's cock for being god and then when he doesn't live up to hype they're on his cock because "he lost, must be blizz fault." fuck those fanboys man. I swear I hope flash just crashes and burns just so they can shut the fuck up
also fuck zvp
A little too harsh IMO......maybe you dont have a fan and therefore have no idea about the feeling where you want to support your player?
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This page just looks like someone felt the need to drag the Battle.net forums onto TL in some form or fashion.
Widow Mines IMBA
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Are we still doing this because I think it could really help
Also, goddam those speedy DTs. Its always in the back of my mind that I should build detection, but I don't really fully grasp that I need detection NOW ... until like 12 DTs walk up my ramp and rape my mineral line -_-
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ZERG TAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SKILLS WHATSOEVER. Lets see here their whole entire army composition consists of nothing but attacking units, that offers nothing but retarded amount of damage for a low cost of 25-50 gas (hydras and roaches). In the event of you actually countering their army with specialist units IE marauders, colossus, immortals, void rays, etc. They can instantly remax on an army to counter yours while you must slowly rebuild your entire army because guess what, those fucking piece of shit shit countered units are still a lot stronger than yours even if you have upgrades. Yup, and oh guess what, no matter what you do their units can all out run yours because of their damn fucking speed upgrades. Make sense right? Off creep they're faster, on creep you're dead. Protoss dies so fast mid game there's no point to even try early game. I honestly don't understand blizzard's logic in limiting Zerg's larvae count when all they have to do is remember every 40 seconds to inject their hatchers and make some fucking units that would run over any fucking army.
TL;DR NERF ZERG NO SKILLS RACE ALL DAY MAKE 1 UNITS TO WIN.
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On October 25 2012 16:10 Snuggles wrote:
If there is grief over a 1v1 game, let us not turn the thread into a terrible balance whine with players attacking one another, because then I would have to report my own thread to a mod, which would suck. We're all simply here to share our grief and sympathize with each other.
On April 03 2013 16:45 Advantageous wrote:
ZERG TAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SKILLS WHATSOEVER. ...
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...TL;DR NERF ZERG NO SKILLS RACE ALL DAY MAKE 1 UNITS TO WIN.
On April 03 2013 17:14 Typhoon1789 wrote:
Protoss imba.
Typhoon.
That didn't go too well, did it? Wouldn't be too surprised if this thread got closed, but I would prefer balance-related posts to be warned/banned and redirected to the designated balance discussion thread.
Here's some QQ of my own:
+ Show Spoiler +I suck at this game. Damn, I really suck at this game. I play Terran in (low) Gold and every game I play I either win because my opponent decides to play defensive 2-base while I take 4-5 bases and can out-produce by a huge margin, or I lose horribly because I have a horrible army composition and/or can't harass my opponent enough to stop his macro from getting superior to mine. I want to like this game but every game, win or lose, makes me feel frustrated because whatever the outcome I feel like I played like total shit. I make a huge amount of misclicks every game and I'm suspecting that my motor skills are below those of the average baby.
Also, having no friends to play with sucks. This applies to any game like Dota, CS and even single-player games.
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I don't like to think something is op, I like to think I just have to learn to deal with it properly. So don't take this as "omg zerg/toss imba" post. Just some random QQ.
As a terran, the thing I hate about zerg is how they too often get away with so low amount of micro and how many mistakes they can make.
For example:
TvZ, both of us focus on macro at start, then I start being aggressive with my bio and hellbat drops and pushes. The zerg goes for roach hydra, doesn't get any upgrades aside from roach speed and hydra range, doesn't make a single infestor or viper in the whole game. For pretty much the whole game we are on equal amounts of bases. Even with my +2+2 bio hellbat army, against his +0+0 pure roach hydra, with superior engagements, I just barely win.
Also protoss
The mothership core and oracles have made protoss all-ins stronger than before. I get all-inned at least half of the TvPs. In WoL I held toss all-ins without a problem. And macrogames are difficult. Terran 2 base bio push just doesn't work anymore, and even if the toss plays greedy, and I manage to do tons of economical damage, I can't really win. Protoss just turtles on 3 bases, gets his deathball up and kills me. And I do use vikings and ghosts when needed. I do dodge storms. I do have almost equal upgrades. (Hard to have equal, because toss can play greedy and just chrono.
I think that is enough QQ for now.
Ps. TvT is stupid tank wars. I hate it most of the time.
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My widow mines once blew up my own army.
Too imba.
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On April 03 2013 17:36 Ejohrik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:10 Snuggles wrote:
If there is grief over a 1v1 game, let us not turn the thread into a terrible balance whine with players attacking one another, because then I would have to report my own thread to a mod, which would suck. We're all simply here to share our grief and sympathize with each other. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 16:45 Advantageous wrote:
ZERG TAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SKILLS WHATSOEVER. ...
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...TL;DR NERF ZERG NO SKILLS RACE ALL DAY MAKE 1 UNITS TO WIN. That didn't go to well, did it? Wouldn't be too surprised if this thread got closed, but I would prefer balance-related posts to be warned/banned and redirected to the designated balance discussion thread. Here's some QQ of my own: + Show Spoiler +I suck at this game. Damn, I really suck at this game. I play Terran in (low) Gold and every game I play I either win because my opponent decides to play defensive 2-base while I take 4-5 bases and can out-produce by a huge margin, or I lose horribly because I have a horrible army composition and/or can't harass my opponent enough to stop his macro from getting superior to mine. I want to like this game but every game, win or lose, makes me feel frustrated because whatever the outcome I feel like I played like total shit. I make a huge amount of misclicks every game and I'm suspecting that my motor skills are below those of the average baby.
Also, having no friends to play with sucks. This applies to any game like Dota, CS and even single-player games.
Protoss imba.
Typhoon.
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On January 02 2013 21:35 tshi wrote:My QQ is more meta: I've always wondered what this community would be like if it had the fighting game community's attitude toward change -- it basically can be summed up like this: http://www.brokentier.com/products/adapt. I've always wondered if people just kinda kept at it and weren't so vocal and whatnot, would the game really be "unplayable"? I'm pretty sure (like 99% sure) that it's apples/oranges and yes, it would be different -- but still, I wonder about it sometimes. *shrug*.
The popularity of the game is what made the scene what it is. In the end it's all about what you yourself regard as important. If it's the competition in its highest form, then you put your eye on korea, just as in BW. That's where attitude changes and even if some imbalance exists it is rendered unimportant for the sake of the competition.
But generally you're right of course. Me and quite a lot of users here on TL were afraid before SC2 released that history would repeat itself like in WoW and what you're dealt with by Blizzard is more important than to accept it and deal with it. It's this notion of everyone should be on equal ground in every situation. And of course crying louder to be heard is what is so rotten about online gaming. Watching people like IdrA making mistakes on stream and still bad mannering the opponent. Why are people watching that? Why is such a behaviour rewarded with views and effectively money?
It's because everything changed so much. It's because you can watch players that dont compete in the most prestigious tournaments. "Back in the day" a player badmouthing another in pre-MSL/OSL interviews had to put his money where his mouth was by winning. Simple as that. You either win or you drop out and what's left is nostalgia about your glory days.
That's where I draw the line personally as a viewer. Uninteresting until proven championship mindset material. The rest is just noise. Yes that might leave out a lot of players, but at least it puts a pure focus back on competition.
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Umm, no lets not associate outselves with DOTA2 please.
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On March 18 2013 01:27 packrat386 wrote:
Are we still doing this because I think it could really help
Also, goddam those speedy DTs. Its always in the back of my mind that I should build detection, but I don't really fully grasp that I need detection NOW ... until like 12 DTs walk up my ramp and rape my mineral line -_-
12 dt's! What the fuck was going on in that game!?
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On April 03 2013 19:15 igay wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 01:27 packrat386 wrote:
Are we still doing this because I think it could really help
Also, goddam those speedy DTs. Its always in the back of my mind that I should build detection, but I don't really fully grasp that I need detection NOW ... until like 12 DTs walk up my ramp and rape my mineral line -_- 12 dt's! What the fuck was going on in that game!?
Why not? Its not as if you couldn't make them easily and if you have that many you can kill much faster ... maybe even fast enough if you are discovered ... and if the going gets rough up to six Archons could be a messy thing to have in a base as well. Personally I have always wondered why progamers dont do this more and instead just stick to 2-3 only.
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New patch is so retarded. I have no sound (mostly) and a lots of settings changed.
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On April 03 2013 19:34 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:15 igay wrote:On March 18 2013 01:27 packrat386 wrote:
Are we still doing this because I think it could really help
Also, goddam those speedy DTs. Its always in the back of my mind that I should build detection, but I don't really fully grasp that I need detection NOW ... until like 12 DTs walk up my ramp and rape my mineral line -_- 12 dt's! What the fuck was going on in that game!? Why not? Its not as if you couldn't make them easily and if you have that many you can kill much faster ... maybe even fast enough if you are discovered ... and if the going gets rough up to six Archons could be a messy thing to have in a base as well. Personally I have always wondered why progamers dont do this more and instead just stick to 2-3 only.
The gas investment is immense, your main army would be considerably weaker, and DT's are so fragile and kiteable.
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On April 03 2013 19:48 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:34 Rabiator wrote:On April 03 2013 19:15 igay wrote:On March 18 2013 01:27 packrat386 wrote:
Are we still doing this because I think it could really help
Also, goddam those speedy DTs. Its always in the back of my mind that I should build detection, but I don't really fully grasp that I need detection NOW ... until like 12 DTs walk up my ramp and rape my mineral line -_- 12 dt's! What the fuck was going on in that game!? Why not? Its not as if you couldn't make them easily and if you have that many you can kill much faster ... maybe even fast enough if you are discovered ... and if the going gets rough up to six Archons could be a messy thing to have in a base as well. Personally I have always wondered why progamers dont do this more and instead just stick to 2-3 only. The gas investment is immense, your main army would be considerably weaker, and DT's are so fragile and kiteable.
- "Kiteable" is not an issue when you are tearing down an enemy's base.
- Obviously it is a risky strategy, but it could still work if you play a bit defensive. Especially after building A LOT of cannons to deter any base trade scenario it should become somewhat viable, because the point would be to hit the economy and/or production of your enemy so hard that he has trouble recovering. "Just a few" DT's dont do that, but a dozen? In Babylon 5 captain Sheridan once says "if you are trying to make a point, why dont you make it in a way so that no one misses it?" (rough quote from memory) The point is to bring "overwhelming force for the job" and a dozen DT's would set back the worker population a few minutes ... and that can't be sped up usually.
- Who cares about the main army? You dont win by defeating the army, you win by destroying the enemy's buildings. Just build photon cannons for some ranged power and defend your bases while you warp in at your enemy's base. Obviously a big part of the trick is to keep it secret and unscouted OR to use decoys (Hallucinations might work to pull an army away).
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QQ about game interface -
Make it so i dont see ANY conversation in game. Or the only acceptable chats are glhf and gg everything else is blank.
If someone types GG, The game ends for them.
the above starts iall of the rage. personally on ladder i dont want to ehar a word from anyone only the start words glhf, or gl or hf. Make it a standard thing in the game. Second i hate people who early call gg, i cant tell you how many times ive won after this. . . like the korean rules, if you type gg the game is over . . for the person calling it.
QQ - my moan
terrans ability to drop 16 units into a base and have it end the game eco wise for the zerg. I cant begin to count how many games ive outplayed a terran only to have then triple drop all bases and roll the lot. Its not fair! as they at this point have 10 siege tanks and VERY mobile forces protecting their base and guess what . . it doesnt cost them their econ! only the actaual minerals!!!!!. I now cant produce or do anything now while they stream their bank in rines (which are good unit btw). Its like or seem to me like it costs them nothing to do anything as they have a safe tutle back at home and are muling and building scvs without any regard to anything! You could say well more static defence, well, ive tried that on some troll games Converted all workers in bases to spines and spores and then re populate, yes it works , BUT AT WHAT COST! should i really have to do that? this of course is the end game but what about early game . . hes gone macro mad got to 3 mule bases ive been keeping up but oh wait hes trickled vacs and marines with a ups and dropped simultaneously all my bases. GG. The daft thing about all this . .I saw it coming i !!!!! tried !!!!! to prepare but its not ever enough. I dont know why i dont see abusive shit like this all the time (or maybe cos i dont watch terran that much its happening all of the time) on the pro scene. its effective as fuck and obviously looking at it from hind sight nearly every game would just get rolled with it.
i watch idra, vibe, spanishiwa, catz and zfreebird and this shit gets them over and over and over and over but they accept it . . .dont say anything. theres no response!
otherwise, this game is excellent, half joking with the above cos on more times than not ive crushed abusive play like that!
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I have a certain strong dislike for Mutalisks in my TvZ.
I used to go for Bomber's TvZ where you go for a 14min maxed 2-2 push but Mutalisks just seem to kill it straight out of the gate.
Without any pressure from Bomber's build Zerg is free to make 15-16 Mutalisks and just pin me on my bases.
Trying to move out at 14 minutes with creep everywhere is also a nightmare with Tanks.
Next game I tried a 9 minute push with Marines, Hellbats, Tanks and a Medivac and won it easily.
Guess Zerg just cannot be left alone for more than a few minutes?
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StatixEx, I agree. Nowadays zerg is a race with lack of capability to harass in early-mid game, because one or two cannon/turret/bunker/wall/fortress will avoid any sort of muta/ling runby/infestor. I mean harass by using a small army to deal heavy economic damage. And there are a lot of choices for terran/toss, like oracle/ht drop/DT/hellbat drop/mines drop/marines "choking" in mineral line. These kind of harass many times ends the game. The game can end due a single zerg mistake, and this is more "flip coin" than I would like.
But the game is awesome. I can't deal very well with ladder anxiety, so I'm playing unranked now. And I'm slowly switching from zerg to random.
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QQ--- Matchmaking system.
Alright, so to start off I realize that my issues will be solved shortly through grinding out ladder games, but here goes:
Diamond Terran throughout Wings of Liberty, I come into HoTs really excited about the unranked system and the availability to test out builds, etc. I build my "unranked MMR" up to diamond, just like WoL, so I am thinking, "Yea, I got this."
WRONG.
I began my placement by going over to KR server and getting Gold after posting a 4-1 record, which I will not QQ about, in fact I was proud because I know nothing of the difficulties the KR server offers, lag, etc. However, I go over to the ole trust NA and...
SILVER?!?!?! 4-1 in my placements and I get silver after several seasons as a mid diamond player. I did not receive an opponent higher than silver in my placements and my last game I lost to a Toss all-in 4 Gate, to a Player who hadn't completed his/her placements either. So, Gold in KR, but Silver in NA? Makes sense right......
Don't get me wrong, I will quickly rectify this and grind out games, but I can only imagine how frustrating this will become for other players who practice so hard on unranked playing skilled opponents, only to go into the MMR ranked matches and get thrown opponents who aren't even close to the level you play in unranked matches.
Bottom line, I feel like I wasted a lot of time "training" for my Ranked placements, it just doesn't feel like there is any connection between unranked and ranked, and I feel absolutely no reward to training so hard in unranked matches vs skilled opponents.
Okay, I feel better now. GL HF
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On April 03 2013 17:36 Ejohrik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:10 Snuggles wrote:
If there is grief over a 1v1 game, let us not turn the thread into a terrible balance whine with players attacking one another, because then I would have to report my own thread to a mod, which would suck. We're all simply here to share our grief and sympathize with each other. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 16:45 Advantageous wrote:
ZERG TAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SKILLS WHATSOEVER. ...
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...TL;DR NERF ZERG NO SKILLS RACE ALL DAY MAKE 1 UNITS TO WIN. That didn't go too well, did it? Wouldn't be too surprised if this thread got closed, but I would prefer balance-related posts to be warned/banned and redirected to the designated balance discussion thread. Here's some QQ of my own: + Show Spoiler +I suck at this game. Damn, I really suck at this game. I play Terran in (low) Gold and every game I play I either win because my opponent decides to play defensive 2-base while I take 4-5 bases and can out-produce by a huge margin, or I lose horribly because I have a horrible army composition and/or can't harass my opponent enough to stop his macro from getting superior to mine. I want to like this game but every game, win or lose, makes me feel frustrated because whatever the outcome I feel like I played like total shit. I make a huge amount of misclicks every game and I'm suspecting that my motor skills are below those of the average baby.
Also, having no friends to play with sucks. This applies to any game like Dota, CS and even single-player games.
I will play SC2 with you bud!!!!!!
Ctone.259 NA
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Fuck Avilo for teaching terrans how to play like that.
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Oh my god fuck widow mines. Fuck widow mines so hard. The amount of pure concentration that just goes into not instantly losing your entire army is fucking ridiculous. I'm so over it.
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I don't understand this game.
TvP. I have more supply. I have vikings vs his colos, ghosts vs his temps. I'm up 2-1 to 0-1 in upgrades. I EMP most of his templar. I get the better concave. I stim and micro my heart out. I start to win, then he reinforces with warpins, crushes my army, and a-moves for the win.
TERRAN TEARS TvP is broken QQ
gl hf everyone
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QQ is a term that originated from the shortcut to leave a game from WC3, Alt + QQ
So every post in this thread is about an incident which caused them to leave a game? In that case I QQ every time a player solidly outplays me.
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wow, 4 pages for 2 years. Not much QQ at all, good job, everyone!
also I thought QQ was supposed to be eyes with tears coming out of them...
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On July 04 2014 15:43 Popkiller wrote:
wow, 4 pages for 2 years. Not much QQ at all, good job, everyone!
also I thought QQ was supposed to be eyes with tears coming out of them...
I know, it's pretty amazing compared to the Balance discussion thread, lol.
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On July 04 2014 15:51 CakeSauc3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 15:43 Popkiller wrote:
wow, 4 pages for 2 years. Not much QQ at all, good job, everyone!
also I thought QQ was supposed to be eyes with tears coming out of them... I know, it's pretty amazing compared to the Balance discussion thread, lol.
hahah thats cuz all of it goes to the other threads or whenever X player or X race wins or something. If anything, the thread should be stickied whenever something like that happens -- that way it will suck all the QQ into this thread.
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The worst problem with lotv right now is the community. So much whining.
That is all.
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Wait, there is a dedicated QQ thread? What is the LotV sub-forum then good for?
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On October 28 2015 03:52 RoomOfMush wrote:
Wait, there is a dedicated QQ thread? What is the LotV sub-forum then good for?
It's a subset of this thread I think. Here you can QQ about LotV and HotS.
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Ok why are there people on lvl 15 searching for coop brutal and yet they dont really have the basics there =/ 1 barracks for the whole game is...
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I dont have lotv yet but played a bunch of games with friends and my biggest complaint is that some of the new units are really freaking FAT. When a fight happens I can't tell what's going on because Ravagers and Lurkers are huge and their projectile spam creates even more chaos. This also applies to Liberators, not sure about Disruptors because I havent seen too much of them yet.
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wtf is even the fucking point with protoss???? like you can just fucking randomly throw darts at something to decide what fucking bullshit you wanna throw, hurr durr dts, hurr durr oracles, hurr hurr blink allin, hurr durr pylon rush hurr hur adepts seriosly fuck that race
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