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zedrOne
France471 Posts
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shadymmj
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
apart from some obvious and unforgivable design flaws in the interface (no chat channels, no lan), the game itself was never designed to really transcend its predecessor. we are still stuck with three tiers, limited tech option, a single best standard build being repeated over and over ad nauseam basically blizzard as a whole lost their vision to actually create new stuff, something that could already be seen with the abomination that is diablo 3. there is no innovation, just the attempt to create past glory what starcraft would need is way more variety, more units, more tech options, more depth. maybe even more races or at least sub-factions with more variety they were too scared to do that because they probably thought it would be too hard to balance, when they should have let the community balance the game from the start. limiting game balance patches to once a month, done by clueless people afraid to change much lead to the (maybe) balanced but boring, repetitive and dead metagame we have today they should have included the community much more in every decision instead of sticking with some fat c&c designer with an inflated ego that wanted to see his vision of how RTS should work come true | ||
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YaShock
Hungary119 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
Also last I check those who attends MLG are still majority sc2 fans, by far. Your example really only applies to IEM, which might as well say they got bought out by riot | ||
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Gerbilkit
United States32 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:19 summerloud wrote: apart from some obvious and unforgivable design flaws in the interface (no chat channels, no lan), the game itself was never designed to really transcend its predecessor. we are still stuck with three tiers, limited tech option, a single best standard build being repeated over and over ad nauseam I can't even begin to describe how completely wrong this is and how utterly it fails to describe a highly complex and well designed game known as Brood War. Suggesting that SC1 had "a single best standard build being repeated over and over" is sheer ignorance. BW had a complex metagame, with multiple builds and variations of builds that were constantly being reworked, changed, and challenged. And even if you played a bad BO match up there was a possibility to micro or multitask extremely well and make a comeback. On October 19 2012 19:19 summerloud wrote: they should have included the community much more in every decision instead of sticking with some fat c&c designer with an inflated ego that wanted to see his vision of how RTS should work come true ^this. I completely agree. It's like the developers didn't want to use anything from BW or at least make everything completely different so they could never be accused of copying. It's just so stupid. I don't think anyone (or at least hardly anyone) wanted a BW clone with better graphics. I think the idea of creating a new game is great. But why on the world would you start completely from scratch and eliminate so much of what made BW great. It's either stupid or arrogant, maybe a combination of both. I keep hoping the expansions will change things, or Kespa players will figure out how to transcend the weak design, but I feel like I'm losing confidence all the time. Unless the developers have a radical change of mind or we get new ones I'm not sure that things are going to get better. Which is a shame because even with such a flawed game SC2 is still better than any other RTS games released recently. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:41 czylu wrote: frankly I wouldn't make such a big deal about SC2 players switching to LoL. LoL is just more lucrative for them because the elephants have arrived and will be stealing all their money. The only Sc2 players that stand a chance are the former elephants. Mastadons? | ||
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jordyn
19 Posts
Blizzard you just can't reach... So, you get what we had here last week Which is the way they want it! Well, they get it! N' I don't like it any more than you men" - Guns N' Roses - Civil War | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
Couldn't tournaments play on patch 1.4.3 to get more viewers back? | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:50 amazingoopah wrote: this is ridiculous... the top 9 threads in this forum at the moment are something negative with sc2, something to do with the slayers debacle, and/or talking about a crisis in sc2.... Nothing new, I deteced myself "what the hell happened with sc2, everything is incredibly wrong with sc2" two weeks ago. Those 9 threads comes two weeks later than my notice about sc2. | ||
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YaShock
Hungary119 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:50 amazingoopah wrote: this is ridiculous... the top 9 threads in this forum at the moment are something negative with sc2, something to do with the slayers debacle, and/or talking about a crisis in sc2.... maybe because this game became a joke and people want a change because this is the only rts we have got nowdays? | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:02 Dingodile wrote: Nothing new, I deteced myself "what the hell happened with sc2, everything is incredibly wrong with sc2" two weeks ago. Those 9 threads comes two weeks later than my notice about sc2. Yea, tons of people have been thinking it, it's just been kinda taboo to actually talk about it on TL until Destiny/TT1 pretty much came and blew the lid off. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:50 amazingoopah wrote: this is ridiculous... the top 9 threads in this forum at the moment are something negative with sc2, something to do with the slayers debacle, and/or talking about a crisis in sc2.... HotS is in beta and Blizzard are looking for feedback. This is the best time for change. | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
I'm a former Wc3 player and me and my grandmaster mate are the only people to play SC2 until now. All our Wc3 friends did not bother buying SC2 or do not play it by any means. In my opinion it's blizzard, who makes SC2 less attractive than LoL, DotA2 and BW. We need either a total simple HotS which is fucking easy to adept, but still hard to master or we need all those things that the community wants to add to the game. Balance is excluded of course! | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:24 Highways wrote: HotS is in beta and Blizzard are looking for feedback. This is the best time for change. I'd like to have faith in your faith but from my experience Blizzard aren't interested. I can only assume that's due to not enough $$ signs. Big fundamental changes would require large capital and Blizzard as a part of Activision are now interested in the biggest bang for smallest buck. Capital amounts would be small for what Blizzard can afford but Activision or whoever is pulling the shots are skinflints. They have a game that works, hots will sell well regardless. There is seemingly little reason for more investment. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:38 Monochromatic wrote: I believe that it is fairly obvious that patch 1.4.3's balance update was a huge reason in the decline of viewers. Couldn't tournaments play on patch 1.4.3 to get more viewers back? lol. i believe it is fairly obvious you are wrong. THis decline was unavoidable, and no "minor" patch could change this. ANy avoidance of a decline would ahve required a completely new business model of Sc2 from blizzards point of view. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:38 Monochromatic wrote: I believe that it is fairly obvious that patch 1.4.3's balance update was a huge reason in the decline of viewers. Couldn't tournaments play on patch 1.4.3 to get more viewers back? Its not the patch, its not about balance. Viewers don't watch balance in games, they watch players play games. if a game is not exciting to watch, then it why would anyone be interested. Collosus vs collosus is boring. Z v P is boring, T v P is boring,. The whole game needs a rework to not only look interesting but play interesting to attract people. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
But something just didn't feel right when Teamliquid, THE PREMIERE Starcraft website, decided to add Dota 2. | ||
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