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On October 18 2012 04:36 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character. Well, if you read the rest of the interview he goes on to say that the team management (aside from Cella) didn't seem like they gave a shit about non-GSTL matches and was putting too much pressure on players for GSTL matches. That is a problem.
Indeed that's a problem. I agree that Jessica mishandled the team so bad or else it wouldn't come to this. But the players' attitude aren't helping either.
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On October 18 2012 04:34 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:Yeah, him leaving the team just for an airport ride did seem quite far fetched.
She said there is a legal issue that she wont disclose
What he is saying is that he felt pressured due to GSTL and once he stopped participating in GSTL he was discriminated
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People should focus less on Jessica/ Boxer/ MMA etc. and more on this:
ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with Slayers?
Alicia: I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it.
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On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character.
Apparently mentioning it was a problem for Jessica too. They paid for all their own transportation it seems. ANd they probably didn't get much of a salary. While it may not be a issue to fight about, I think it's a reasonable request to make.
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On October 18 2012 04:33 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:30 Creager wrote:On October 18 2012 04:19 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 04:16 Creager wrote:On October 18 2012 03:56 felisconcolori wrote:On October 18 2012 03:51 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:46 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:45 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:
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If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs
Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If you hate Jessica so much, why not just leave the fucking thread? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you suspect their emotions are sincere is not the same as having a crush on someone. Get over yourself. I said she was a poor leader and that does not equal hating someone.... If you think she is a strong leader based on that interview I am interested on hearing why. You're the only person in this entire series of quotes here to ever say anything about what kind of leader she is. I'm not going to give my opinions because they would obviously be lost on you; your bias is quite clear and your disrespect of other forum members "someone must have a crush rofl..." diminishes my wishes to have a conversation of any kind with you. I, sir, am interested in your opinions. Because, from a strictly business management viewpoint, I have to note there appear to be holes in her management style. Leadership is not about dictating on the basis of contract legalities or because you are the manager. (I know, many people in actual management positions fail to grasp this as well.) Based on Jessica's own statements, she seems to lack a comprehensive and unemotionally burdened conflict resolution process - perhaps because of her deep emotional involvement and conviction of looking out for a player's best interests. But I am interested in your opinion on Jessica as a leadership figure. You know, we are all human beings with desires and dreams that we strive for. Even in business people are making the decisions and since we are all different means some of our kind have emotions and ethics influencing those decisions. This is actually what mankind probably will never truly learn, to act like human beings treating others with respect and dignity. BoxeR and Jessica wanted to create a unique place where players could unite, live and practise together while pursuing a philosophy where this team and it's members are rather considered family than colleagues. This whole business talk disgusts me, I feel for BoxeR who got his dream smashed which he put so much effort into. I really hope he can find his passion again and return as a player one day! Exactly, the person I feel sorry for the most is Boxer. He has always been a notch above when it comes to his dream for e-sports and the professional mindset. I can't imagine dumping a hundred grand into a team and then have this shit happen. I hope people who are all 'business should be emotionless' people are equally critical of Axiom because they are trying to do the same thing as SlayerS was. Isn't Crank the first player on Axiom? Interesting... If what he did happens to be confirmed true this guy sure is one hell of a dick... I don't think he's a dick. It's really unclear what's going on here. Crank and Jessica have problems communicating and then Crank has some health issues (but is probably a combination of neck + wanting to quit the game), then Crank gets support from the public and goes to MLG, gets his love for the game/fans back, goes back to joining a team. We're willing to give Jessica so much rope for her disolving herself of any blame, and can't give Crank the latitude one would give to a young player in a bad situation?
I think this is quite the opposite side of the story. But this doesn't take into account the accusations of him lying about the reason to leave the team... We'll see what maybe comes out of this
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On October 18 2012 04:36 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character. Well, if you read the rest of the interview he goes on to say that the team management (aside from Cella - Coach Hong) didn't seem like they gave a shit about non-GSTL matches and was putting too much pressure on players for GSTL matches. That is a problem.
I agree, and I can also see how someone who wears her heart on her sleeve like Jessica would come across as really disappointed when someone loses in GSTL (SlayerS always has cared more about GSTL than other leagues, probably because their focus was on the team as a whole). There seems to have been communication problems among players goals and managements.
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On October 18 2012 04:37 Penev wrote:
People should focus less on Jessica/ Boxer/ MMA etc. and more on this:
ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with Slayers?
Alicia: I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it.
I saw that as well. Isn't that pretty much the same as saying it's true? There's no reason I can think of why he wouldn't deny it if it wasn't.
On October 18 2012 04:45 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:39 Kerence wrote:On October 18 2012 04:37 Penev wrote:
People should focus less on Jessica/ Boxer/ MMA etc. and more on this:
ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with Slayers?
Alicia: I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it. I saw that as well. Isn't that pretty much the same as saying it's true? There's no reason I can think of why he wouldn't deny it if it wasn't. If he confirms he can say good bye to korean teams
Well yes, that's what I was trying to say.
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wow..
tbh i expected them to just sort it out, i didn't expect the entire team to just fall apart like that. o____O
hope the players find great new esports families though ~
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On October 18 2012 04:22 testthewest wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 03:16 jinorazi wrote:On October 18 2012 03:07 jpak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:05 testthewest wrote:On October 18 2012 02:38 floor exercise wrote:On October 18 2012 02:30 Ventris wrote:On October 18 2012 02:27 AbideWithMe wrote:
I think it is a really shady move to keep an "incident with Alicia" secret as it puts him in an uncomfortable position where he can not even comment on it. If it really ends in the court its alright though. They won't sue him because he left the door open or was unfriendly. Jessica would probably sue anyone for anything Listen: If there is a contract that is being broken, sueing is the right legal way to go about it. Why didn't the players just talk openly about their problems? Instead they seem to be agitated by outsiders and believe them, without listening to the other side. Furthermore you wonder: Why should someone that puts money into the team want to destroy it's players? Perhaps the main problem is, Koreans can deal with a woman being the boss? We'll find out after the Korean presidential elections. Park Geun Hye may become the first woman president in Korea if she is elected this December. i forgot who but some politician commented on female president negatively, he got chewed up so badly by the media and the political parties. i dont think korea no longer has the sexism problem anymore, in large/public scale at least. and i grew up with my dad refusing to support my sister's school tuition because she isn't worth it (cus shes a girl) o.O time has changed. Be prepared, female leaders can make hard decisions. (Merkel *cough*)  Sorry, but that must be a joke. Merkel is like a leaf turning in the wind. She is an opportunist of the worst kind, misleading the people that voted for her all the time. Her best asset is an even more disgusting opposition!
Yeah.. No. I wont go into a political debate here, if you want to get proven wrong, ask me via PM. As a pro tip, ask Donald Rumsfeld how much of a leaf Merkel was.
On topic again: are there any statements of MMA or ESF or something out? Its hard to follow the thread from work, everytime i press F5 there are 10 new pages. :/
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On October 18 2012 04:20 testthewest wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:16 jinorazi wrote:On October 18 2012 03:07 jpak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:05 testthewest wrote:On October 18 2012 02:38 floor exercise wrote:On October 18 2012 02:30 Ventris wrote:On October 18 2012 02:27 AbideWithMe wrote:
I think it is a really shady move to keep an "incident with Alicia" secret as it puts him in an uncomfortable position where he can not even comment on it. If it really ends in the court its alright though. They won't sue him because he left the door open or was unfriendly. Jessica would probably sue anyone for anything Listen: If there is a contract that is being broken, sueing is the right legal way to go about it. Why didn't the players just talk openly about their problems? Instead they seem to be agitated by outsiders and believe them, without listening to the other side. Furthermore you wonder: Why should someone that puts money into the team want to destroy it's players? Perhaps the main problem is, Koreans can deal with a woman being the boss? We'll find out after the Korean presidential elections. Park Geun Hye may become the first woman president in Korea if she is elected this December. i forgot who but some politician commented on female president negatively, he got chewed up so badly by the media and the political parties. i dont think korea no longer has the sexism problem anymore, in large/public scale at least. and i grew up with my dad refusing to support my sister's school tuition because she isn't worth it (cus shes a girl) o.O time has changed. This may be the media, or the voters. But do young male adults, or male teenagers like a female telling them what to do (if it is not their mother)? I could imagine this age to be rebellious and only accept people "ruling them" that they respect skill- or achievementwise. I could be wrong, but as far as I am aware, Jessica is the only female team manager of a male team, in a male sport.
Or do you know i.e. a female sc2 manager/football manager/basketball manager (all mens teams)??
BW Manager January >>> SC2 Manager Jessica
( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/January )
So we don't even need to switch to another genre of gaming/ other sport to see that a woman can clearly handle managing a men's team 
On a side note, I think it would be really awesome if Boxer made a statement, or at least gave his views on the matter of SlayerS disbanding.
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On October 18 2012 04:37 Penev wrote:
People should focus less on Jessica/ Boxer/ MMA etc. and more on this:
ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with Slayers?
Alicia: I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it.
Sounds like "If I tell the truth I have to fear not finding practice partners, when I have joined a new team".
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On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character.
lol you don't think getting a ride to and from the airport to go to events is a problem? wtf?
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On October 18 2012 04:37 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character. Apparently mentioning it was a problem for Jessica too. They paid for all their own transportation it seems. ANd they probably didn't get much of a salary. While it may not be a issue to fight about, I think it's a reasonable request to make.
They shouldn't pay for transportation. But from my understanding, it refers to this accusation: "Alicia's discontent was that when he came home from foreign tournaments, that no one would come greet him at the airport."
IMO, that's absolutely nonsense. Why would you need someone to pick you up from the airport?
Btw, Jessica's reaction: "When I heard those complaints, I could only sigh, and I sent him home. " is equally absurd. Why don't they just fricking talk instead of banishing him from the team house.
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So basically everyone but Jessica is guilty for Slayers disbanding(this includes IM coach, ST coach, all eSF players, Slayers own players, "Manager J"). Seems reasonable.
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i feel physically sick about all of this
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fucking jessica, shes a poison to eSports
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On October 18 2012 04:41 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character. lol you don't think getting a ride to and from the airport to go to events is a problem? wtf?
"Alicia's discontent was that when he came home from foreign tournaments, that no one would come greet him at the airport."
He should be reimbursed for the transportation cost. But Does someone need to pick him up? Come on.
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Deep. I wonder where their players will go.
I'm more concerned about Puzzle and Coca switching to LoL. That game is going to be in an arms race with Dota 2 and only one will succeed.
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On October 18 2012 04:42 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:37 Rhine wrote:On October 18 2012 04:30 zestzorb wrote:I doubt anyone thinks Jessica is a good manager, but from what Alicia said "...My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem..." Why should that even be a problem? That says a lot about Alicia's character. Apparently mentioning it was a problem for Jessica too. They paid for all their own transportation it seems. ANd they probably didn't get much of a salary. While it may not be a issue to fight about, I think it's a reasonable request to make. They shouldn't pay for transportation. But from my understanding, it refers to this accusation: "Alicia's discontent was that when he came home from foreign tournaments, that no one would come greet him at the airport." IMO, that's absolutely nonsense. Why would you need someone to pick you up from the airport? Btw, Jessica's reaction: "When I heard those complaints, I could only sigh, and I sent him home. " is equally absurd. Why don't they just fricking talk instead of banishing him from the team house.
Jessica made a lot of mistakes. No question. She means well, but is not as great of a leader. If Boxer didn't get injured/tried to be a player again and focused on coaching/management, I think Slayers would be much better off.
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On October 18 2012 04:41 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 04:37 Penev wrote:
People should focus less on Jessica/ Boxer/ MMA etc. and more on this:
ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with Slayers?
Alicia: I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it. Sounds like "If I tell the truth I have to fear not finding practice partners, when I have joined a new team".
You mean:"If I tell you about this I probably won't get hired by another (ESF-)team."
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