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On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:43 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 02:39 Boonbag wrote:
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I lived there for some time while ago and it was pretty sad to witness.
Different countries with have different standards. I am sure most people would view the French with their 35 hr work week and many vacation dates to be lazy as well. lol are you seriously arguing about the legal worktime in france ? (which you obviously don't know much about) No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time. Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males. Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Show nested quote +Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal".
common as in a frequency of happening
jesus christ you're dumb
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I think the stories match up remarkably well, actually. It's just that Crank, ah, unfortunately spoke a bad word about Boxer and Jessica, so Jessica feels obligated to defend the two of them. Aiya. I eagerly await MMA's story, lol. Although from what it sounds like, he has some things he wants to spill about Boxer too.
Too bad none of the players probably have recorded conversations though.  Jessica's trying to apply some weighty leverage here. If Crank says, "Go ahead, let the phone call air," he runs the risk of damaging the reputation of himself and more of the SlayerS players, thus vilifying himself even more. (Even if there's nothing on the phone call that is incriminating, I'm sure people will be put off by his behavior.) If he doesn't let it air, well .... that's like admitting defeat, and then Jessica will demand an apology.
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On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:43 vthree wrote:
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Different countries with have different standards. I am sure most people would view the French with their 35 hr work week and many vacation dates to be lazy as well.
lol are you seriously arguing about the legal worktime in france ? (which you obviously don't know much about) No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time. Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males. Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb
Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean.
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On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Boonbag wrote:
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lol are you seriously arguing about the legal worktime in france ? (which you obviously don't know much about) No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time. Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males. Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean.
normal would mean it's the regular behaviour (beating up women), while it's not.
I was merely stating that often, I saw girls getting beat up to use it as an exemple.
Do you often see chicks getting beat up at night in germany ?
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On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments.
could you tell me who are the three players that left the team to play LoL?
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CoCa, Puzzle, and Min to LoL.
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On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments.
Given that Golden wrote a thank you letter to Jessica upon leaving Slayers and Sleep/Ganzi/Dragon/Taeja have left Slayers without much incident, it's kinda disingenuous to attach a negative connotation to their departures.
In regards to the Eve stuff, her face was being photoshopped on pornographic images. A twitter war is probably one extreme solution to it, but I'm sure if Jessica were to do nothing then people (given the random things they're finding issue with here) will accuse her of being negligent.
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On October 22 2012 03:11 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:
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No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time.
Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males.
Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean. normal would mean it's the regular behaviour (beating up women), while it's not. I was merely stating that often, I saw girls getting beat up to use it as an exemple. Do you often see chicks getting beat up at night in germany ?
Not by their BFs and depending on their age. And well, guess thats sorted out. Its actually so that "normal" equals "common" even in direct translation (common = üblich, and üblich = ordinary, standard, normal). Mea culpa.
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On October 22 2012 03:14 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments. Given that Golden wrote a thank you letter to Jessica upon leaving Slayers and Sleep/Ganzi/Dragon/Taeja have left Slayers without much incident, it's kinda disingenuous to attach a negative connotation to their departures. In regards to the Eve stuff, her face was being photoshopped on pornographic images. A twitter war is probably one extreme solution to it, but I'm sure if Jessica were to do nothing then people (given the random things they're finding issue with here) will accuse her of being negligent.
Actually, Dragon also got embroiled in some drama while leaving SlayerS under the pretense of not looking for another team (but then getting picked up). I do believe there might've been a Twitter war about that too, but Dragon didn't even attempt to defend himself.
Will add that apparently both Ganzi and Taeja were picked up by SlayerS amidst some drama as well.
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On October 22 2012 03:15 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:11 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:
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Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean. normal would mean it's the regular behaviour (beating up women), while it's not. I was merely stating that often, I saw girls getting beat up to use it as an exemple. Do you often see chicks getting beat up at night in germany ? Not by their BFs and depending on their age. And well, guess thats sorted out. Its actually so that "normal" equals "common" even in direct translation (common = üblich, and üblich = ordinary, standard, normal). Mea culpa.
Just like, when you come from an education where you have to hold doors and let women pass in front of you and suddenly seeing men actually slam doors to women faces in the subway like they mean to do it feels pretty weird the first times.
At that time, in korea, it was still somewhat not tolerated at all for women to smoke in public places, and I saw twice a women beeing slapped in the face in public, in plain daylight by an elderman for smoking outdoor without anyone saying anything.
And don't even get me started on student prostitution -_-
edit : but i love korea nonetheless :D
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On October 22 2012 03:16 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:14 ssxsilver wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments. Given that Golden wrote a thank you letter to Jessica upon leaving Slayers and Sleep/Ganzi/Dragon/Taeja have left Slayers without much incident, it's kinda disingenuous to attach a negative connotation to their departures. In regards to the Eve stuff, her face was being photoshopped on pornographic images. A twitter war is probably one extreme solution to it, but I'm sure if Jessica were to do nothing then people (given the random things they're finding issue with here) will accuse her of being negligent. Actually, Dragon also got embroiled in some drama while leaving SlayerS under the pretense of not looking for another team (but then getting picked up). I do believe there might've been a Twitter war about that too, but Dragon didn't even attempt to defend himself. Will add that apparently both Ganzi and Taeja were picked up by SlayerS amidst some drama as well.
But Ganzi and Taeja's departures weren't management-related though were they? Ganzi wanted to join a foreign team for a year before service and further details were released on that. Taeja left on good terms IIRC.
Ganzi's pickup was cleared though the IM coach and Jessica recently. Drama yes, but I thought the consensus was that it stemmed from a misunderstanding (similar to the EG/TSL incident). Do you mind linking the issue you speak of with Taeja's pickup, I'm not really sure on the issues regarding that.
You're right on Dragon though.
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I wonder why she decided go public, instead of taking all those pre-emptive measures (silencing any accusations, bad mouthing on her) behind the scenes. Cause she totally could. THAT would be a genuine thing to do, which she aspires to in her 'caring manager' persona. This is from Players-Jessica standpoint, not the ESF one.
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On October 22 2012 03:22 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:16 babylon wrote:On October 22 2012 03:14 ssxsilver wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments. Given that Golden wrote a thank you letter to Jessica upon leaving Slayers and Sleep/Ganzi/Dragon/Taeja have left Slayers without much incident, it's kinda disingenuous to attach a negative connotation to their departures. In regards to the Eve stuff, her face was being photoshopped on pornographic images. A twitter war is probably one extreme solution to it, but I'm sure if Jessica were to do nothing then people (given the random things they're finding issue with here) will accuse her of being negligent. Actually, Dragon also got embroiled in some drama while leaving SlayerS under the pretense of not looking for another team (but then getting picked up). I do believe there might've been a Twitter war about that too, but Dragon didn't even attempt to defend himself. Will add that apparently both Ganzi and Taeja were picked up by SlayerS amidst some drama as well. But Ganzi and Taeja's departures weren't management-related though were they? Ganzi wanted to join a foreign team for a year before service and further details were released on that. Taeja left on good terms IIRC. You're right on Dragon though.
From what I understand, Taeja left because he wasn't benefiting from his time on the team. He didn't play in the teamhouse, didn't practice with the team members, and SlayerS allegedly had so many other players they simply didn't have enough time, space, or resources for him. Hell, when he helped Boxer through to Code S, Boxer said that he hadn't realized Taeja was so good. The kid just wasn't appreciated much and didn't receive the attention he deserved given his skill level. Whether or not you consider that "management-related" is another thing altogether, I guess.
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On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Boonbag wrote:
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lol are you seriously arguing about the legal worktime in france ? (which you obviously don't know much about) No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time. Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males. Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean.
Common is not "normal/normalerweise", but "häufig". Like "often" ("oft") as in it regularly happens, but it's not the norm. I'd say common is a bit more often than "often" 
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Golden = b-teamer, wanted to take advantage of weak foreign scene, left on good terms.
Sleep = b-teamer, wanted to take advantage of weak foreign scene, left on good terms.
Ganzi = a-team, military service soon, wanted to experience foreign scene and world travel, left on good terms.
MMA = a-team, had foreign success, became greedy, gullible.
Alicia = b-team, diva, didn't want to participate in team leagues. kicked out of team.
Dragon = c-team, casual player, didnt live in team house, had international fans, lied to leave team.
Crank = a/b-teamer ****this one is a mystery. he claims to be mistreated by SlayerS, having to sleep at his friends house on the floor but when you watch their webcams, streams, and team photos, he's always there with them in the house practicing and eating and joking around in his boxer and t. lied to leave team.
Taeja = a/b-team, very good player. lived with his parents, not the team house. was not too involved with the team, liked to play online tournaments. seeked a team that could meet his condition. left on good terms.
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On October 22 2012 03:15 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:11 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:
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Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean. normal would mean it's the regular behaviour (beating up women), while it's not. I was merely stating that often, I saw girls getting beat up to use it as an exemple. Do you often see chicks getting beat up at night in germany ? Not by their BFs and depending on their age. And well, guess thats sorted out. Its actually so that "normal" equals "common" even in direct translation (common = üblich, and üblich = ordinary, standard, normal). Mea culpa.
Why are we talking about translations towards German? Common can mean various things, either in the frequency that it happens but also whether it's seen as something that's not weird to happen even though it doesn't happen often. Normal however means only the last, not the first. In English that is. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that 'normal' translates to 'normal' in German, instead of üblich.
While I do agree, that nowadays they can pretty much be interchangeable but let's look at the following example shall we?
Lets say that every day someone is crippled due to excessive violence
Is This Normal?
Hell no. But... is it common? Unfortunately, yes.
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On October 22 2012 03:29 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:
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No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time.
Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males.
Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean. Common is not "normal/normalerweise", but "häufig". Like "often" ("oft") as in it regularly happens, but it's not the norm. I'd say common is a bit more often than "often"
Good lord, german sounds like a tough language to pick up if you are a english only person
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On October 22 2012 03:29 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:07 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:05 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:03 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 03:00 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 22 2012 02:49 Boonbag wrote:On October 22 2012 02:46 vthree wrote:
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No, I am saying that you shouldn't make general statements like that. Like you example, I don't know the details, so I don't just make general statements base on the hour work time.
Edit: your logic seems to be that since you saw some Korean men beat their gf on the street, then it is likely that since eSports is a male dominated field, Jessica got screwed over by all the males.
Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. Well the time i spent in france convinced me that there is no french guy that actually can drive a car properly (not to mention, park). That does not mean that im right though. It may very well be that women are not treated equal to the women here, but you're way exaggerating, i think. I'm talking first hand experience and im no way exagerating shit. And I love how you guys compare stupid stuff to actually mistreating an entire class of people. Me too. I said the time i spent in france. After that my car looked like it fell into a meatgrinder. Of course i am exaggerating, but you were the one telling us that its "normal" for a woman to get beaten up by his bf over there. Thats by no means exaggerated, right? I never said "normal" I said it wasn't uncommon at night to witness a bf beating up his gf in the streets. If you don't get the difference... Okay, then tell me the difference between common and normal. Also: Well I could give a nice list of fucked up things I've seen on an almost daily basis done to women in Korea. I don't know, to me the way men behaved over there was reaaaaaally fucked up. "Almost daily basis" is not "uncommon", its "normal". common as in a frequency of happening jesus christ you're dumb Yeah. I don't know if there's a language barrier here, but common equals to "normal" in german. As you said. On a daily basis, and if you want to tell me that "on a daily basis" is different from "normal", i really don't get what you mean. Common is not "normal/normalerweise", but "häufig". Like "often" ("oft") as in it regularly happens, but it's not the norm. I'd say common is a bit more often than "often"
No, its not "normalerweise", but "üblich". Go and translate "üblich", tell us what you get.
Edit: but lets pull that to PMs if neccessary, no need to derail further.
Good lord, german sounds like a tough language to pick up if you are a english only person
I laughed my ass off when Top Gear UK made fun of "Doppelkupplungsgetriebe". ^_^ (Double-clutch Gearbox)
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On October 22 2012 03:24 NightOfTheDead wrote:
I wonder why she decided go public, instead of taking all those pre-emptive measures (silencing any accusations, bad mouthing on her) behind the scenes. Cause she totally could. THAT would be a genuine thing to do, which she aspires to in her 'caring manager' persona. This is from Players-Jessica standpoint, not the ESF one.
Are you seriously suggesting she hasn't tried?
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On October 22 2012 03:26 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:22 ssxsilver wrote:On October 22 2012 03:16 babylon wrote:On October 22 2012 03:14 ssxsilver wrote:On October 22 2012 03:02 Swords wrote:
To some extent, I think the ultimate answer to Slayers collapse is going to be that everyone fucked up. I'm sure some of the players were divas. I'm sure manager J upsetting things from within was a total mess. I'm also sure that Slayers management (Jessica, etc.) did a poor job resolving everything.
If you just look at the team and the number of players they lost/had to demote at various times it becomes clear the environment in that house could not have been too good. Golden, Sleep, Ganzi, MMA, Alicia, Dragon, Crank, and Taeja all left the team or were punished at various times. Three of their top players were leaving the house to play LoL at PC bangs. There was the massive twitter drama with Eve, where Jessica threatened to sue people. Regardless of who's fault it is that Slayers collapsed, that many people either leaving the team or being demoted demonstrates to me a really terrible team environment. To some extent that falls on players for not looking out for each other. To some extent it falls on management - because regardless of how shitty players are acting it is managements job to take care of the players, keep them happy, and work out conflicts with them. This doesn't seem to have ever happened - people either left or there was lots of drama over their punishments. Given that Golden wrote a thank you letter to Jessica upon leaving Slayers and Sleep/Ganzi/Dragon/Taeja have left Slayers without much incident, it's kinda disingenuous to attach a negative connotation to their departures. In regards to the Eve stuff, her face was being photoshopped on pornographic images. A twitter war is probably one extreme solution to it, but I'm sure if Jessica were to do nothing then people (given the random things they're finding issue with here) will accuse her of being negligent. Actually, Dragon also got embroiled in some drama while leaving SlayerS under the pretense of not looking for another team (but then getting picked up). I do believe there might've been a Twitter war about that too, but Dragon didn't even attempt to defend himself. Will add that apparently both Ganzi and Taeja were picked up by SlayerS amidst some drama as well. But Ganzi and Taeja's departures weren't management-related though were they? Ganzi wanted to join a foreign team for a year before service and further details were released on that. Taeja left on good terms IIRC. You're right on Dragon though. From what I understand, Taeja left because he wasn't benefiting from his time on the team. He didn't play in the teamhouse, didn't practice with the team members, and SlayerS allegedly had so many other players they simply didn't have enough time, space, or resources for him. Hell, when he helped Boxer through to Code S, Boxer said that he hadn't realized Taeja was so good. The kid just wasn't appreciated much and didn't receive the attention he deserved given his skill level. Whether or not you consider that "management-related" is another thing altogether, I guess.
Um... I believe what he meant was the transfer of Ganzi from IM -> Slayers and Taeja from Zenex -> Slayers. Ganzi's case was mentioned by Jessica already. Taeja's case in the event anyone forgotten, the Zenex manager tried to raise a twitter war with Jessica about her stealing his players. In return, Jessica just shot back that she had the contract signed with the witness of the Zenex coach, which shut him up.
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