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On November 08 2012 00:33 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 22:50 Angry.Zerg wrote:
I played LOL last week with some friends, and my left hand was like "Dude! WTF! I'm so fucking bored! At least let me control 3 of these chars".
Why people like this game, not playing but watching? is boring as hell. That's what I think as well. I tried to play it, I really did, but there just wasn't enough to do for my hand. I go into every game spamming like mad with my mouse hand, tapping keys due to muscle memory, and then realize there's nothing to do lol.
Sounds like you have mental problems.
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On November 07 2012 14:22 kammeyer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 12:11 President Dead wrote:
Destiny seems to give this idea that responsibility towards a video game developer towards a video game is high in order. He really seems to take this game seriously, ... a little too seriously. This is a video game. He talks about it with the constantly touted phrase "e-sport", which is not a sport as defined by the Dictionary. It's still a video game and he needs to chill out. If you're taking a video game this seriously than something tells me you need to step away from it for a while ... When Forbes is publishing articles on the possibility of it being a new thriving industry, it isn't "just a video game" anymore. Stop being a retard.
It is not nice to call people "retards", because they're a lot of mentally disabled people who don't deserve to have their condition mocked. Please apologize to me. That was uncalled for and mean-spirited towards those disabled.
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On November 08 2012 04:15 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 00:33 Qwyn wrote:On November 07 2012 22:50 Angry.Zerg wrote:
I played LOL last week with some friends, and my left hand was like "Dude! WTF! I'm so fucking bored! At least let me control 3 of these chars".
Why people like this game, not playing but watching? is boring as hell. That's what I think as well. I tried to play it, I really did, but there just wasn't enough to do for my hand. I go into every game spamming like mad with my mouse hand, tapping keys due to muscle memory, and then realize there's nothing to do lol. Sounds like you have mental problems.
Because he doesn't like playing LoL and actually finds it boring?
A little civility goes a long way.
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On November 08 2012 04:09 Greenwizard wrote:
And Idra isn't a bad player.
No he's not a bad player, he's absolutely terrible.
I was there watching at the beginning when Idra Mr. Self Proclaimed 'Macro King' instigated the present stale metagame when he always QQ'd about early aggression and him not being allowed to mass drones. This bitch nerd always cried so hard in interviews and on ladder. Guess what happened next? Maps got larger, rush distances smaller, naturals and 3rds became easier to take, Zerg was buffed to high heaven and Terrans nerfed so badly that you can't find them on ladder anymore. Now that everyone is forced to play the game he likes (sitting in base making workers for 10mins), he still cannot win.
Also, notice how he was so BM at the beginning when everyone was bad, but now he becomes nice and manner just to try and stay relevant? It shocks me that people still support a person like him.
Some examples of idra on stream:
*yesterdays stream where he plays a protoss on Daybreak*
Idra --> Masses Broodlord/Infestor for 25 MINUTES, almost loses to SkyToss and then calls the protoss player retarded when his A-move finally breaks through.
Fast-Reverse back to the 'InTheGame' interview with DjWheat, idra, Painuser, Incontrol and Destiny.
Idra: 'Yeah Broodlord Infestor mass spines is a terrible way to play'.
Go check out the interview if you don't believe me.
Mods please don't warn me, but I can't believe someone who has had such a negative impact on the game and community is still praised.
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NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred.
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On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred.
I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'.
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Honestly I don't even think its a possibility for sc2 to become as big as everyone likes. At the end of the day I'm sure everyone will agree that the game is not balanced.
Constant debates about
-units not performing (e.g tanks unsieged, hydra etc)
-Some units being to strong or unit combinations. (BL/infestor or old archon toilet for example)
-Income rate vs aggressive options (the game is becoming more slow paced and scrappy styles of play are not solid options)
-All ins still don't overcome defenders advantages on greedy builds
I think the only way sc2 will become successful is to outsource the balancing of the game to major organisations like gom and kespa.
While blizzard is capable of somewhat balancing a lot of the community still feels like the people at blizzard don't actually even play the game. Or just make decisions that are not good for the game.
-Queen buff for example in zvt. Killing all early game attack options that aren't 2 rax (attack not harass).
Advertising aside the game needs to be fundamentally solid before you can truly get a big viewership. People want to see exciting non stop back and forth fighting where your clawing at each other to gain some sort of advantage. Not sit in your base for 20 minutes push out die then rebuild etc.
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On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'.
It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault.
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On November 08 2012 08:18 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'. It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault.
Blizzard funded alot of the early competitions in which Idra was a dominating force. The earlier balance patches were a direct result of Idra's comments, ensuing community fallout and then it reaching Blizzard - irrespective of whether members of the SC2 team attended said tournaments.
How many times would you listen to a well known commentator casting an Idra game with the commentary 'Idra believes that the game should be played pure macro and just that'? There are many iterations of this.
Lastly, Idra is American. A large potion of the SC2 community is American and back then when the Korean SC2 scene was still developing, Idra was pretty much the foreigners (since Americans are foreigners) hero and a 'face' of SC2. It was natural that alot of the community would listen to and support anything that Idra had to say. Just because he is not relevant now doesn't mean that he did not impact the game in its early stages.
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On November 08 2012 09:00 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 08:18 Godwrath wrote:On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'. It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault. Blizzard funded alot of the early competitions in which Idra was a dominating force. The earlier balance patches were a direct result of Idra's comments, ensuing community fallout and then it reaching Blizzard - irrespective of whether members of the SC2 team attended said tournaments.
This is just a bit more than a little delusional. The earlier patches were a direct result of Terran being ridulously fucking OP against zerg in particular. IdrA, and every single zerg on the planet complained about it, and it does not really matter because they were RIGHT to complain. TvZ back then was about as imbalanced as it is now, the only thing that has changed is which race has the advantage.
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Just watched the VoDs for todays group G games, those Leenock games were hilarious, it was like Catz playing in the GSL only he was winning. Really enjoyable to watch.
Oh wait, sorry, yeah blizzard are bad, the game is dying, no LAN omg...
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On November 08 2012 09:00 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 08:18 Godwrath wrote:On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'. It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault. Blizzard funded alot of the early competitions in which Idra was a dominating force. The earlier balance patches were a direct result of Idra's comments, ensuing community fallout and then it reaching Blizzard - irrespective of whether members of the SC2 team attended said tournaments. How many times would you listen to a well known commentator casting an Idra game with the commentary 'Idra believes that the game should be played pure macro and just that'? There are many iterations of this. Lastly, Idra is American. A large potion of the SC2 community is American and back then when the Korean SC2 scene was still developing, Idra was pretty much the foreigners (since Americans are foreigners) hero and a 'face' of SC2. It was natural that alot of the community would listen to and support anything that Idra had to say. Just because he is not relevant now doesn't mean that he did not impact the game in its early stages.
Blizzard funded Razer King Of The Beta, Altitude TL Tournament, IPL1, and MLG DC? Oh wait, no they didn't - your post is full of shit. Just like the rest of your posts in this thread are.
Commentators said that because that's his style. It was in BW, it is in WoL. They're commentating on his style, not his opinions on design.
Dude if you had a single clue of what you're talking about you'd know Idra was actually REALLY behind on playing the infestor/bl style, he held onto his bling/muta play ZvT for SO long when Stephano and Korean Zergs were reaping the benefits of infestor BL. Just stop. You have zero clue what you're talking about.
If you think IDRA caused this current state of the game you're a fool. Everyone wanted bigger maps - you clearly didn't play in early WoL because those maps were TERRIBLE. There ARE issues late game right now but if those get fixed SC2 is in so much of a better place than in beta/season 1 it's unbelievable. Go watch IPL Ye Olde Map Tournament. Those games were terrible. TeamLiquid voted Cloud Kingdom and Ohana into the ladder. The community voted Daybreak into the ladder, your opinion is so mind numbingly uninformed it is overwhelming.
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Pure Garbage,,, congratulations
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Russian Federation221 Posts
SC2 as eSport is broken.
Let’s see at finalists of last five CodeS tournaments.
Life MVP
Seed MC
MVP Squirtle
DRG Genius
Jiakji Leenok
5 different winners and 5 different runner-ups. Only MVP managed to reach finals twice.
SC2 is a game where there is a lof of random and skills mean little.
In BW in last two finals we had Fantasy and Jangbi and Jangbi won twice.
So it’s easy to understand why sponsors don’t want to sponsor teams and players. Why give sponsorship to winner of GSL if it is almost certain that he will fail in next GSL tournament.
And for me as a viewer it’s not very interesting to watch tournaments knowing that not the best player will win but the most lucky one.
In BW we could see that Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong, Boxer, July won because they were best players.
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On November 08 2012 21:05 MikeMM wrote:
SC2 as eSport is broken.
Let’s see at finalists of last five CodeS tournaments.
Life MVP
Seed MC
MVP Squirtle
DRG Genius
Jiakji Leenok
5 different winners and 5 different runner-ups. Only MVP managed to reach finals twice.
SC2 is a game where there is a lof of random and skills mean little.
In BW in last two finals we had Fantasy and Jangbi and Jangbi won twice.
So it’s easy to understand why sponsors don’t want to sponsor teams and players. Why give sponsorship to winner of GSL if it is almost certain that he will fail in next GSL tournament.
And for me as a viewer it’s not very interesting to watch tournaments knowing that not the best player will win but the most lucky one.
In BW we could see that Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong, Boxer, July won because they were best players.
"sc2 is too competitive and that's why its broken"
Get over yourself already, lol
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On November 08 2012 21:49 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 21:05 MikeMM wrote:
SC2 as eSport is broken.
Let’s see at finalists of last five CodeS tournaments.
Life MVP
Seed MC
MVP Squirtle
DRG Genius
Jiakji Leenok
5 different winners and 5 different runner-ups. Only MVP managed to reach finals twice.
SC2 is a game where there is a lof of random and skills mean little.
In BW in last two finals we had Fantasy and Jangbi and Jangbi won twice.
So it’s easy to understand why sponsors don’t want to sponsor teams and players. Why give sponsorship to winner of GSL if it is almost certain that he will fail in next GSL tournament.
And for me as a viewer it’s not very interesting to watch tournaments knowing that not the best player will win but the most lucky one.
In BW we could see that Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong, Boxer, July won because they were best players.
"sc2 is too competitive and that's why its broken" Get over yourself already, lol
yea this pretty much. Its too young of a game to have bonjwas just yet.
It says a lot about the game that someone like flash can be a top runner in major tournaments and only been playing the game seriously for a few months.
The undertone that really bothers me, is that this zerg domination is the result of the meta game not evolving. In brood war, there were long periods where different races dominated and all within the same patch version.
The points are valid, but the fervor and negativity are just silly. Let starcraft grow its wings... if any patches come before hots i hope they are VERY minor tweaks. In this community, the loudest mouthed idiot seems to get the attention.. rather then reason and logic. This all coming from a player who has never even been close to competing at a high level.
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On November 08 2012 22:01 Destro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 21:49 Fragile51 wrote:On November 08 2012 21:05 MikeMM wrote:
SC2 as eSport is broken.
Let’s see at finalists of last five CodeS tournaments.
Life MVP
Seed MC
MVP Squirtle
DRG Genius
Jiakji Leenok
5 different winners and 5 different runner-ups. Only MVP managed to reach finals twice.
SC2 is a game where there is a lof of random and skills mean little.
In BW in last two finals we had Fantasy and Jangbi and Jangbi won twice.
So it’s easy to understand why sponsors don’t want to sponsor teams and players. Why give sponsorship to winner of GSL if it is almost certain that he will fail in next GSL tournament.
And for me as a viewer it’s not very interesting to watch tournaments knowing that not the best player will win but the most lucky one.
In BW we could see that Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong, Boxer, July won because they were best players.
"sc2 is too competitive and that's why its broken" Get over yourself already, lol yea this pretty much. Its too young of a game to have bonjwas just yet. It says a lot about the game that someone like flash can be a top runner in major tournaments and only been playing the game seriously for a few months. The undertone that really bothers me, is that this zerg domination is the result of the meta game not evolving. In brood war, there were long periods where different races dominated and all within the same patch version. The points are valid, but the fervor and negativity are just silly. Let starcraft grow its wings... if any patches come before hots i hope they are VERY minor tweaks. In this community, the loudest mouthed idiot seems to get the attention.. rather then reason and logic. This all coming from a player who has never even been close to competing at a high level.
The biggest cause of the metagame stagnating is because mappools haven't changed all that much over the last year. Fix that first and suddenly you'll see the metagame kicking into overdrivea again.
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On November 08 2012 07:24 NarAliya wrote:No he's not a bad player, he's absolutely terrible. I was there watching at the beginning when Idra Mr. Self Proclaimed 'Macro King' instigated the present stale metagame when he always QQ'd about early aggression and him not being allowed to mass drones. This bitch nerd always cried so hard in interviews and on ladder. Guess what happened next? Maps got larger, rush distances smaller, naturals and 3rds became easier to take, Zerg was buffed to high heaven and Terrans nerfed so badly that you can't find them on ladder anymore. Now that everyone is forced to play the game he likes (sitting in base making workers for 10mins), he still cannot win. Also, notice how he was so BM at the beginning when everyone was bad, but now he becomes nice and manner just to try and stay relevant? It shocks me that people still support a person like him. Some examples of idra on stream: *yesterdays stream where he plays a protoss on Daybreak*Idra --> Masses Broodlord/Infestor for 25 MINUTES, almost loses to SkyToss and then calls the protoss player retarded when his A-move finally breaks through. Fast-Reverse back to the 'InTheGame' interview with DjWheat, idra, Painuser, Incontrol and Destiny. Idra: 'Yeah Broodlord Infestor mass spines is a terrible way to play'. Go check out the interview if you don't believe me. Mods please don't warn me, but I can't believe someone who has had such a negative impact on the game and community is still praised.
Also, notice how he was so BM at the beginning when everyone was bad, but now he becomes nice and manner just to try and stay relevant? I
Idra --> Masses Broodlord/Infestor for 25 MINUTES, almost loses to SkyToss and then calls the protoss player retarded
What are you even talking about...
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On November 08 2012 09:00 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 08:18 Godwrath wrote:On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'. It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault. Blizzard funded alot of the early competitions in which Idra was a dominating force. The earlier balance patches were a direct result of Idra's comments, ensuing community fallout and then it reaching Blizzard - irrespective of whether members of the SC2 team attended said tournaments. How many times would you listen to a well known commentator casting an Idra game with the commentary 'Idra believes that the game should be played pure macro and just that'? There are many iterations of this. Lastly, Idra is American. A large potion of the SC2 community is American and back then when the Korean SC2 scene was still developing, Idra was pretty much the foreigners (since Americans are foreigners) hero and a 'face' of SC2. It was natural that alot of the community would listen to and support anything that Idra had to say. Just because he is not relevant now doesn't mean that he did not impact the game in its early stages.
I can't recall "a lot of early competitions" funded by Blizzard.
the early balance patch was due to short rush maps flavoring an already OP terran such as 11/11 bunker rushing.
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On November 08 2012 09:00 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 08:18 Godwrath wrote:On November 08 2012 07:53 NarAliya wrote:On November 08 2012 07:26 blade55555 wrote:
NarAliya your post just blew my mind. It is a terrible way to play, he's not saying its bad, he's saying its boring but if you want to win you have to do the mass infestor/bl/corr style.
In general your post was stupid and full of pure hatred. I wouldn't say my post was stupid. But full of hatred or great dislike? Yes. Because I know idra was one of the people who caused the current state of the game. I'm not a dumbass who sees the game as NOW or what is currently going on. I make links between different events during the course of the game, and idra was right in the centre of it at the beginning. Now towards the end he wants to pretend like 'we must all do something'. It was stupid since you just were downtalking somebody for free. The current state of the game has nothing to do with Idra, but Blizzard balance team. Even in the RARE RARE case that some of idra's feedback was taken into account, it's still blizzard's fault. Blizzard funded alot of the early competitions in which Idra was a dominating force. The earlier balance patches were a direct result of Idra's comments, ensuing community fallout and then it reaching Blizzard - irrespective of whether members of the SC2 team attended said tournaments. How many times would you listen to a well known commentator casting an Idra game with the commentary 'Idra believes that the game should be played pure macro and just that'? There are many iterations of this. Lastly, Idra is American. A large potion of the SC2 community is American and back then when the Korean SC2 scene was still developing, Idra was pretty much the foreigners (since Americans are foreigners) hero and a 'face' of SC2. It was natural that alot of the community would listen to and support anything that Idra had to say. Just because he is not relevant now doesn't mean that he did not impact the game in its early stages.
Seriously, stop writing hearsay. Blizzard didn't fund a lot of things back in the day, and it doesn't even matter. Others had already answered on this matter, but to be honest, you are delusional if you think Idra is some kind of "cancer" to the state of the game.
The changes on SC2 had been mostly something the community wanted :bigger maps, nerf to too strong timing pushes which were too hard to scout or too good unit compositions like ghost on vP or vZ in the past, or 5 rax reapers.
Everything you are writing just tell us that you weren't even there, but just pulling shit through hearsay as i said before.
How is the game the way it is right now ? The balance team. It's that way, the balance team had done a good work at managing to keep the win/lose ratios at tourneys. The problem comes when they are not actually watching the games anymore, and they want to do all the balance for HoTS and forget about WoL. And from a designer point of view, i understand it, why lose time with something that's gonna end eventually, when you can use that time to make the next expansion even more awesome and balanced USING today's WoL feedback. Doesn't mean i agree tho.
You can't just blame one player for how the game is right now. It's just totally retarded.
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