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On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft.
Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed.
A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology.
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Really poor. It lacks any sense of direction/focus/narrative. You can't just cut a shit ton of footage together and call it a doco. I can't see this appealing to outsiders or sc enthusiasts. I guess the aim was just funding a korean holiday w. a camera.
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On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology.
He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing.
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I was hoping something more like this
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it was alright nothing special so far.
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I would like to see less interviews and more actual footage of them casting/hanging out etc. Just saw the complexity documentary for the first time and it's really good.
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the fact that a funded documentary has more static in audio interviews than hotbid's or thorin's interviews bothered me tremendously.
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On November 16 2013 15:19 zefreak wrote:
I would like to see less interviews and more actual footage of them casting/hanging out etc. Just saw the complexity documentary for the first time and it's really good.
This.
Less interviews trying to say, well I'm not really sure except that SC is awesome.
All of the backstage, and front stage footage is awesome, then they cut to an interview that already liking SC, I'm not quite sure why their ranting at me. I sought out a documentary about SC, you really don't need to convince me its a great rts.
Give us the human side, how Artosis and Tasteless feel about various events.
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On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing.
go watch the smash brothers documentary, amazing. i never even played smash melee and i was hooked. that guy did it for less money also.
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On November 16 2013 15:37 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing. go watch the smash brothers documentary, amazing. i never even played smash melee and i was hooked. that guy did it for less money also.
+1 i watched it all in one night
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On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing.
The Smash Brothers documentary was done by one guy with a camera at a fraction of the cost. "He's just an amateur!" isn't a good excuse; when you give someone $42k and two years of time, you expect something higher-quality than someone's high school film project.
e: beaten
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On November 16 2013 15:45 wozzot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing. The Smash Brothers documentary was done by one guy with a camera at a fraction of the cost. "He's just an amateur!" isn't a good excuse; when you give someone $42k and two years of time, you expect something higher-quality than someone's high school film project. e: beaten
Successes like the Smash Brothers documentary are exceptions. Life won a GSL at age 15, that doesn't mean you raise your expectations of every 15 year old who plays Starcraft.
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On November 16 2013 15:50 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 15:45 wozzot wrote:On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing. The Smash Brothers documentary was done by one guy with a camera at a fraction of the cost. "He's just an amateur!" isn't a good excuse; when you give someone $42k and two years of time, you expect something higher-quality than someone's high school film project. e: beaten Successes like the Smash Brothers documentary are exceptions. Life won a GSL at age 15, that doesn't mean you raise your expectations of every 15 year old who plays Starcraft.
I think the the issue was that this appeared to be vapor ware for so long and then its highly anticipated release hits and everyones expectations that had been waiting so long had been let down and now there's the backlash. If they raised the money and released it a month later boom, no one complains or expects anything huge. 40K doesn't buy crap in a movie but 40K and 2 years should produce more. Its a time -> Failure to produce a quality product to justify the time and delays. This movie looks like it could have been slapped together in a month or that it wasn't really a priority to the person(s) involved in making it.
All that being said I didn't throw money into this kickstarter and I avoid throwing money into things to do with esports that are of an unknown quantity. I Sub to peoples twitch streams that provide me with entertainment and if someone like say TB were to say tomorrow I need help raising X-Money so I could put on Y-Tournament I might just donate half the prize money because he is a known quantity. People need to stop putting faith and expectations into those unknown quantities in E-sports. I liken this to fanboys on certain streams pressuring new viewers to sub, you sub and the stream is enjoyable then that person stops streaming for a month. Well crap I paid 5$'s for a twitch channel that disappeared that's more then what you'd pay on a dollar for dollar basis then on individual channels on cable. Buyer beware truly.
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On November 16 2013 15:50 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 15:45 wozzot wrote:On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing. The Smash Brothers documentary was done by one guy with a camera at a fraction of the cost. "He's just an amateur!" isn't a good excuse; when you give someone $42k and two years of time, you expect something higher-quality than someone's high school film project. e: beaten Successes like the Smash Brothers documentary are exceptions. Life won a GSL at age 15, that doesn't mean you raise your expectations of every 15 year old who plays Starcraft.
Apples and oranges.
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The moaning and lamenting inspired me enough to actually log in and post something. It was good. All the film directors here talking about direction and cohesiveness are ridiculous. Buy a netflix account watch some documentaries.
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Everyone talking about the Smash bros documentary, what about that Grubby documentary. Granted I'm not sure if that was an amateur or not...
watching it right now. It's aight. I think I'll enjoy watching all of the episodes.
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While I agree with the sentiment that so far there isn't a whole lot that is particularly groundbreaking, I really believe we should wait for the remaining parts to be released and judge it as a whole. Part 1 seemed to be just a general overview of the SC2 scene and Tastosis with the last 10 minutes or so hinting at some sort of narrative or storyline that is to come in the remaining parts. At least that's what I hope it will be.
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What the hell is everyone complaining about, You guys have WAY too much critique after just seeing like 1 part of a documentary, give this producer some credit. I really liked it, even though most stories were not new to me, there's more to come.
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On November 16 2013 16:22 Prox wrote:
What the hell is everyone complaining about, You guys have WAY too much critique after just seeing like 1 part of a documentary, give this producer some credit. I really liked it, even though most stories were not new to me, there's more to come.
This is indicative of what is to follow and an idea of what sort of production values you can expect.
There is no narrative. It is a massive circle jerk of "we are awesome." The music and audio are terrible. I can't believe some people think this is actually a decent documentary. Take the blinders off and realize shit is shit.
Liquid Rising did the same thing (although the audio and graphics were better) and it too was terrible.
A series of interviews doesn't make a documentary. It makes a series of interviews.
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On November 16 2013 15:04 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols. I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft. Because $42k was raised on Kickstarter so Tasteless's childhood buddy could jet around living the life for a couple of years with his esports pals, and now 1/4 of this clownshow amateur hour excuse of a "documentary" is put out a year late in the hope that people won't catch on that they were scammed. A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology. He is still an amateur filmmaker, you don't give an amateur 40k and expect something amazing.
You don't pay an amateur 40k and still call him an amateur. LOL
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I was hoping for a more personal approach. What I mean by this is, more footage and behind the scenes banter. I know that Sc2 is awesome, I play and breathe it. This was funded by sc2 community, and isnt meant for noobs/oursiders. We want inside stuff, and that is what I hope Part 2 will bring.
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