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On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising.
People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL.
For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference
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What a mess. Part 1 felt shizophrenic and lacked vision or a clear identify/focus.
Who is it's audience? StarCraft players wanting to know more about their icons? Complete newcomers to the scene wanting to know about esports? Buggered if I could tell after watching part 1.
What overall story are they trying to tell? Where is the emotion? The engaging narrative?
I'm glad I didn't back the project, because this looks to be truly awful.
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On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference
No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame. Huge diffrence between "having to pay" and "throwing money at something that they have no idea how it will turn out".
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On November 16 2013 13:50 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame.
Yeah, but you are equating people donating to Liquid Rising as the same as people paying for Sons of Starcraft. I said there was a huge difference and that's where our difference lie.
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On November 16 2013 13:52 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:50 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame. Yeah, but you are equating people donating to Liquid Rising as the same as people paying for Sons of Starcraft. I said there was a huge difference and that's where our difference lie.
Either way it changes nothing.
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It seems ok, but nothing compared to the BoxeR documentary. I remember watching the BoxeR documentary and felt like I was being drawn in emotionally.
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This was seriously fucking horrible. Amateurish editing, bogus soundtrack, zero emotion...even the intro was just a bunch of banal quotes that were utterly meaningless out of context.
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Nerds in this thread are expecting a box office hit. This was just fine. Well done.
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On November 16 2013 14:06 TLNerd wrote:
Nerds in this thread are expecting a box office hit. This was just fine. Well done.
No, they were expecting a documentary and not a random series of interviews with no coherent story or narrative played to a background of the same elevator music for 30 minutes. If this is your definition of "just fine" I would hate to see what you would consider a poor effort.
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On November 16 2013 14:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:
This was seriously fucking horrible. Amateurish editing, bogus soundtrack, zero emotion...even the intro was just a bunch of banal quotes that were utterly meaningless out of context.
Its sort of what I expected for an untested director who didn't know what he was doing. Its pretty clear he bit off more than he could chew. But thus is the risk of kickstarter, its as good as lighting the money on fire.
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the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing.
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On November 16 2013 13:58 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:52 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 13:50 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame. Yeah, but you are equating people donating to Liquid Rising as the same as people paying for Sons of Starcraft. I said there was a huge difference and that's where our difference lie. Either way it changes nothing.
It changes everything. In one case, an organization provided a product free of charge. People had the option to donate within their discretion after viewing the documentary, Liquid Rising. On the other hand, someone promised a product (Sons of Starcraft) if people paid an x amount of dollars. A free product vs a paid product.
So, when you make the claim that Liquid Rising is the same as Sons of Starcraft as a delivered product, that's a narrow way to look at it.
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On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing.
Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols.
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On November 16 2013 14:16 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:58 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:52 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 13:50 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame. Yeah, but you are equating people donating to Liquid Rising as the same as people paying for Sons of Starcraft. I said there was a huge difference and that's where our difference lie. Either way it changes nothing. It changes everything. In one case, an organization provided a product free of charge. People had the option to donate and their discretion after viewing the documentary, Liquid Rising. On the other hand, someone promised a product if people paid an x amount of dollars. A free product vs a paid product.
You don't pay for stuff on Kickstarter, you donate in the hopes that it will happen and it will be good. It is charity and at the end of the day, you bought it before you ever saw the final product. It is like someone pre-ordering a game that turns out to be crap. They can be mad, but the simple solution was to not pre-order it.
If you don't want to risk being let down, don't kickstart stuff.
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On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing. Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols.
I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft.
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I don't know what everyone expected from a first time director/producer and a kickstarter fund.
I'll be watching the rest and will also be anxiously awaiting my signed poster I paid $35 for 2 years ago.
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On November 16 2013 14:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:16 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 13:58 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:52 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 13:50 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 Hypemeup wrote:On November 16 2013 11:55 ptbl wrote:On November 16 2013 11:49 ffrozenfish wrote:
This Liquid Rising level of entertainment Liquid Rising was free. People paid for Sons of Starcraft. Huge difference. People did not pay for shit, they backed a project, it is no ones fault but their own. They are not entitled to anything. Also some people paid for Liquid Rising. People donated to Liquid Rising after it came out. Which means they had a chance to see it first. So, if they donated, they did it because they liked it or wanted to show their support for TL. For Sons of Starcraft, people had to pay without seeing the final product. Huge difference No one "had" to pay, they chose to do so knowing that they had no idea how it was going to turn out. They have no one but themselfs to blame. Yeah, but you are equating people donating to Liquid Rising as the same as people paying for Sons of Starcraft. I said there was a huge difference and that's where our difference lie. Either way it changes nothing. It changes everything. In one case, an organization provided a product free of charge. People had the option to donate and their discretion after viewing the documentary, Liquid Rising. On the other hand, someone promised a product if people paid an x amount of dollars. A free product vs a paid product. You don't pay for stuff on Kickstarter, you donate in the hopes that it will happen and it will be good. It is charity and at the end of the day, you bought it before you ever saw the final product. It is like someone pre-ordering a game that turns out to be crap. They can be mad, but the simple solution was to not pre-order it. If you don't want to risk being let down, don't kickstart stuff.
I agree, but he was saying that Liquid Rising was the same as Sons of Starcraft because people paid for it. I was just showing that wasn't the case. We wouldn't have a Sons of Starcraft if the kickstarter goal wasn't met in the first place. For Liquid Rising, if nobody donated, the doc would still have been delivered to the community.
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Watched the first 5 minutes so far.....don't see what all the outrage is about. I'm enjoying this so far.
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On November 16 2013 14:23 Slardar wrote:
Watched the first 5 minutes so far.....don't see what all the outrage is about. I'm enjoying this so far.
agreed. Tastosis come across exactly as they do on their casts, really likable friends.
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On November 16 2013 14:23 Slardar wrote:
Watched the first 5 minutes so far.....don't see what all the outrage is about. I'm enjoying this so far.
I don't think there is anything wrong with it, per say. It is just pretty amateurish. I do think some people had their expectations pinned pretty high or just expected more than 40K is going to get you in a film.
All right, I am most of the way through right now and that music is slowly grinding down my soul. The content is interesting, but the music is slowly killing my brain cells.
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