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Sons of Starcraft. UPDATED Oct 9/14 - Page 35
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negativedge
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Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
Otherwise enjoyable, very circlejerky but its an alright watch so far. Finished : this is only ep1 so we'll see what the rest is like, but so far it seems to lack a clear focus besides "these 2 guys are cool" , we had a couple of minutes at the end where this wasnt the case - how tasteless started casting. The background music hurts, i hope he fixes this for the rest of the eps. Music is huge in any film and to completely disregard it like that is... bad? , it should change with the mood & narrative - not loop ad infinitum. Noise during interviews - i think its just audio overall, but i'll disregard it since its all old footage anyway. lets jump hope audio gets better as it goes. Overall i'm not impressed, but it gives me some hope. These are interesting characters and some of the footage was good, them talking about mvp vs squirtle? thats the behind-the-scenes stuff we wanted. who are these guys when they're not on camera and how did they get to where they are. We've spend 30 minutes on "tasteless and artosis exist and sc2 is the best thing ever" , hopefully the next hour or so goes into it more and fleshes out their actual stories. Episodic content is different to a film in alot of ways & ep1 is always an introduction to the setting & characters, so we'll see. Edit : rant. sorry. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
@ around 6:30 apollo sounds so sick when he's talking D: | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On November 16 2013 17:01 Zorkmid wrote: You don't pay an amateur 40k and still call him an amateur. LOL Lol. That logic. Let me throw money at you, so you are not an amateur anymore. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
This is what I wanted to see. Following Tastosis' life in a relaxed way. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:36 Keeemy wrote: Wow so much hate. I'm not an expert on documentaries so I can't really tell what the flaws are, but to me, this is a great film. And anyways, this was just the first part. This is what I wanted to see. Following Tastosis' life in a relaxed way. I'm not hating on it, it was enjoyable. But it's obviously flawed in multiple ways. The background music is terrible terrible audio vomit that is looped into infity. The editing and the camera work are very very basic. The order of the scenes follows no inherent logic at times, it jumps around in time a lot, even between broodwar and SC2 for no reason and especially in the first 15 minutes it's just guys going: "Hey yo what up, I love starcraft, e-sports is a thing now, nick and dan are kinda cool bye!" I hope it becomes more focused on something in the second part. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:31 robson1 wrote: Lol. That logic. Let me throw money at you, so you are not an amateur anymore. am·a·teur ˈamətər,-ˌtər,-ˌCHo͝or,-CHər/ noun noun: amateur; plural noun: amateurs 1. a person who engages in a pursuit, esp. a sport, on an unpaid basis. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On November 16 2013 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote: I was hoping for a more personal approach. What I mean by this is, more footage and behind the scenes banter. I know that Sc2 is awesome, I play and breathe it. This was funded by sc2 community, and isnt meant for noobs/oursiders. We want inside stuff, and that is what I hope Part 2 will bring. I don't know if this is supposed to be by and for the sc2 community, I think many people that donated will be happy enough to have a documentary that appeals to a broad audience similar to the smash bros one. Although that's probably too high a standard and if you focus on two insiders like Tastosis that's probably more niche to begin with so it makes sense to pick a different focus. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:47 farvacola wrote: am·a·teur ˈamətər,-ˌtər,-ˌCHo͝or,-CHər/ noun noun: amateur; plural noun: amateurs 1. a person who engages in a pursuit, esp. a sport, on an unpaid basis. Wow you know how to google a word. Setting yourself apart from the average forum user. It's still stupid to think that some amateur turns into a professional filmmaker, by receiving some money. It's tasteless old buddy, not some hollywood producer. He is an amateur because he is not a trained producer or something, just a guy with a camera and some crowdfunding money. And i just have to laugh at anyone who thought you could turn some guy with a camera into a professional by giving him some money for planetickets. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:36 Keeemy wrote: but to me, this is a great film. wtf is wrong with you people? I live and breathe starcraft and have ever since I started watching tasteless cast BW and if this doco makes me alt-tab there's a massive problem. I've loved doco's (regardless of budget) on topics I'm not interested in. Budget is irrelevant if you structure it well to tell a story and have passionate people who are more than interviewees. That's what makes this so disappointing. It's a vacuous, disconnected series of interviews that does nothing to convey the passion and fun of the game. I enjoyed Liquid Rising more than this. It was similar but at least it was polished. I'm not even sure who this is aimed at. Its lack of cohesion, filler and jargon (Artosis swearing about MKP and Squirtle) will deter any outsider audience but if it's targeted at us why are we being told (at length) things like what Dreamhack is... Basically it's the product of a guy who got crowd funded to take a camera on a free holiday with his mates, and he couldn't even convey the fun aspect. I guess if you get the money up-front there's not much incentive to give a shit about the finished product. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
On November 16 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote: wtf is wrong with you people? I live and breathe starcraft and have ever since I started watching tasteless cast BW and if this doco makes me alt-tab there's a massive problem. I've loved doco's (regardless of budget) on topics I'm not interested in. Budget is irrelevant if you structure it well to tell a story and have passionate people who are more than interviewees. That's what makes this so disappointing. It's a vacuous, disconnected series of interviews that does nothing to convey the passion and fun of the game. I enjoyed Liquid Rising more than this. It was similar but at least it was polished. I'm not even sure who this is aimed at. Its lack of cohesion, filler and jargon (Artosis swearing about MKP and Squirtle) will deter any outsider audience but if it's targeted at us why are we being told (at length) things like what Dreamhack is... Basically it's the product of a guy who got crowd funded to take a camera on a free holiday with his mates, and he couldn't even convey the fun aspect. I guess if you get the money up-front there's not much incentive to give a shit about the finished product. Gasp. Someone has a different opinion than mine? Something must be wrong with them. Let us all bow down to the infallible critic of documentary films. You don't like it? Must be bad. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's wrong, bad, stupid, etc. I think it's a fine introductory part considering there is more to come. And how does it not convey the passion and fun of the game? That is literally the only thing they talked about. | ||
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Grettin
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On November 16 2013 19:13 Magic_Mike wrote: Gasp. Someone has a different opinion than mine? Something must be wrong with them. Let us all bow down to the infallible critic of documentary films. You don't like it? Must be bad. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's wrong, bad, stupid, etc. I think it's a fine introductory part considering there is more to come. And how does it not convey the passion and fun of the game? That is literally the only thing they talked about. There are some pretty well defined factors for what makes a documentary a documentary and what makes a good film good. Some stuff is like good music and a coherent story with an idea of who your audience is. This stuff isn't an opinion. You have full rights to like a bad piece of work, but don't call it good simply cause you can't see what's wrong with it. | ||
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EnvyUK
England467 Posts
Here was the kickstarter for that: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eastpointpictures/the-smash-brothers-series-production After that, and some quotes and footage about the competitive scene, it first explains the casual interest in the game, before peopel start telling you how they got interested in playing competitively. Around 7:45 onwards they introduce the audience to one advance technique while talking about how intricate the game is; much better pacing and flow. Bear in mind this had a much lower budget than Sons of Starcraft. It has varying music tracks that weave in and out appropriate times, narration, relevant visual to go with the interview snippets. Also I think something important it does that SoS missed was bringing in new interviewees at times relevant to the narrative. Obviously Sons of Starcraft couldn't have followed the exact same path since it's just about two people, but there was a clear lack of direction in this first part, and I wasn't left with a strong desire to see the future parts. Perhaps I'm just not the target audience, but even accounting for that this first part has glaring flaws. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:47 farvacola wrote: am·a·teur ˈamətər,-ˌtər,-ˌCHo͝or,-CHər/ noun noun: amateur; plural noun: amateurs 1. a person who engages in a pursuit, esp. a sport, on an unpaid basis. That definition was created a long, long time before crowdfunding existed, and is, as such, outdated. He was clearly an amateur when he asked for the money, and everyone who gave him money knew it. Or they were too stupid to first do some research on who they gave their money to. Let this be a lesson to people about crowdfunding. You give someone money for a promise they made. Nothing stops them from breaking that promise. Nothing at all. Be it malice, incompetence or simply overestimation of one's capabilities, they can fail. And if you did not realize that back then, well.. now you know. Kickstarter is much like gambling. Just throwing money at something that sounds good is most likely not a good idea. You have to do some research, you have to use your brain, you need some luck. And you still might end up getting nothing. The sooner people realize this, the better. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Not really watch-able for anyone who doesn't already know about Starcraft either. Although it feels like a 20 minute introduction, it really does nothing to explain to an outside audience. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9404 Posts
On November 16 2013 12:44 Assirra wrote: Sorry but if i gave money to this i would be mad. Interview complication where the music loops nonstop and sometimes even drowns out the person talking where you sometimes get the impression they were talking in a cave with the echo (like wtf happened during JP's part?). Hoping the other parts are miles better but so far, ugh. This. The rise of the E-sport hero was IMO a really great documentary as it focussed on a story-line with just a couple of selected personalities. This is just a bunch of random/boring interviews. (and the sound-quality is absolutely awfull). Also what is the target-group? Mentioning the eraiser trick without any explanation makes it seem that it is targetted towards Starcraft/esports-oriented players already. But then why do we have these bunch of interviews repeating the same thing (how beutitil Starcraft is) over and over? | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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