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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 16 2013 12:04 GMT
#701
It wasn't that bad, but obviously it was rushed.
Imo they had literally nothing done (except raw footage) when the cadred article was published, then they rushed to have something done in time to not look like crooks. They copy/pasted random sequences in a hurry and voilà. They didn't even released the whole thing, just a part 1, it looks like a homework you do the very morning of the day you're supposed to give your teacher back, and while in class you're still working on it (the multiple 30mn delays yesterday). It's just my idea/opinion but I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to what happened.
NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
November 16 2013 12:09 GMT
#702
On November 16 2013 21:04 MrCon wrote:
It wasn't that bad, but obviously it was rushed.
Imo they had literally nothing done (except raw footage) when the cadred article was published, then they rushed to have something done in time to not look like crooks. They copy/pasted random sequences in a hurry and voilà. They didn't even released the whole thing, just a part 1, it looks like a homework you do the very morning of the day you're supposed to give your teacher back, and while in class you're still working on it (the multiple 30mn delays yesterday). It's just my idea/opinion but I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to what happened.


I agree with this, it was enjoyable and nice to watch but could've been a lot better, I am looking forward to more though ^^
Currently working with Team Acer CSGO | @AcerNervO
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:10:13
November 16 2013 12:09 GMT
#703
What I don't understand after having watched the first episode of the Smart Brothers, is why he didn't just copy the introduction formula from that episode? That does a fantastic job of introducing an outsider to the game and show them why it is beutiful. Did Alejos really think that people were interested in being told by a series of random persons multiple times that Starcraft was beutiful and a fantastic game?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:21:57
November 16 2013 12:19 GMT
#704
I liked it. I don't know why most of you were expecting a Louis Theroux quality thing. Obviously the creator is an asshole for taking peoples money and never communicating again. But I don't think this documentary itself is really all that bad.

The shots were clear and high quality and there were some pretty interesting interviews/behind the scenes things. Also there was a storyline, first how amazing Starcraft is, then about casting and what that brings, and then more focused on Tastosis personas. For me the movie is about Tastosis and there love for the game. I don't think a detailed description of how Starcraft works would fit in all that well, it's a lot harder to explain than smashbros. Though I'd like some more ingame shots with commentary.

The only really bad thing was the music.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
November 16 2013 12:23 GMT
#705
I liked it. It wasn't groundbreaking or anything, but it was enjoyable and I am looking forward for more
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Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 16 2013 12:34 GMT
#706
On November 16 2013 21:09 Hider wrote:
What I don't understand after having watched the first episode of the Smart Brothers, is why he didn't just copy the introduction formula from that episode? That does a fantastic job of introducing an outsider to the game and show them why it is beutiful. Did Alejos really think that people were interested in being told by a series of random persons multiple times that Starcraft was beutiful and a fantastic game?

Probably because by the time the other documentary came out, he was already long done with his intro, and redoing it completely would only have delayed things even more.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9404 Posts
November 16 2013 12:40 GMT
#707
On November 16 2013 21:34 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:09 Hider wrote:
What I don't understand after having watched the first episode of the Smart Brothers, is why he didn't just copy the introduction formula from that episode? That does a fantastic job of introducing an outsider to the game and show them why it is beutiful. Did Alejos really think that people were interested in being told by a series of random persons multiple times that Starcraft was beutiful and a fantastic game?

Probably because by the time the other documentary came out, he was already long done with his intro, and redoing it completely would only have delayed things even more.


Oh yeh just discovered the Smash brothers documentary was just released this october.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 12:44 GMT
#708
I never quite seem to understand what audience these documentaries are aiming for. I would assume most people who will watch this are relatively "hardcore" fans or followers, who at least know about most of the stuff that is going on, but then the documentary seems to aim for the complete outsider explaining very superficially what eSports is about and how beautiful that "Starcraft" thing is (which btw I never quite know what are they talking about right now. BW? SC2? Both? Most of the beginning sounded like it was purely telling us how beautiful BW was). There's this ambiguous term of "Starcraft" being thrown around all the time when there's actually so much to differentiate and so much depth to what this actually means/meant to many different people during different time periods over the last 13+ years. When they actually tell the story like you would to a complete outsider (which probably makes up a very small percentage of the actual audience) the main audience will just get bored with things they already knew about.

I'd actually watch the shit out of an completely honest documentary. Showing all those storylines about the transition from BW to SC2 and the great things, but also the many problems and struggles, that eSports and Starcraft2 has - there are so many good storylines/conflicts/narratives in there. Instead of just those repetitive phrases of "this is beautiful, this great, these guys are stars now but back in school they were just nerds".

Meh, different tastes maybe.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 16 2013 12:45 GMT
#709
On November 16 2013 21:40 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:34 Conti wrote:
On November 16 2013 21:09 Hider wrote:
What I don't understand after having watched the first episode of the Smart Brothers, is why he didn't just copy the introduction formula from that episode? That does a fantastic job of introducing an outsider to the game and show them why it is beutiful. Did Alejos really think that people were interested in being told by a series of random persons multiple times that Starcraft was beutiful and a fantastic game?

Probably because by the time the other documentary came out, he was already long done with his intro, and redoing it completely would only have delayed things even more.


Oh yeh just discovered the Smash brothers documentary was just released this october.

Exactly.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 13:21:35
November 16 2013 12:47 GMT
#710
On November 16 2013 21:40 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:34 Conti wrote:
On November 16 2013 21:09 Hider wrote:
What I don't understand after having watched the first episode of the Smart Brothers, is why he didn't just copy the introduction formula from that episode? That does a fantastic job of introducing an outsider to the game and show them why it is beutiful. Did Alejos really think that people were interested in being told by a series of random persons multiple times that Starcraft was beutiful and a fantastic game?

Probably because by the time the other documentary came out, he was already long done with his intro, and redoing it completely would only have delayed things even more.


Oh yeh just discovered the Smash brothers documentary was just released this october.


First part of the documentary was released earlier if i recall right. It was a showcase piece to show the community/backers what its going to be like.

I actually need to check if i remember right. They discussed it on Lo3.

e. So it was a "pilot episode" the creator made for the kickstarter. Sorry for misinformation.

VoD of the interview with the producer. http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/c/3095788 (Slasher Asks about the production, making of the film etc ~1:02:45. Answer about Kickstarter/Pilot ~1:04:25)
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 16 2013 13:12 GMT
#711
Nothing new if you've followed SC2, was ok seeing some behind the scenes stuff. I do agree some of the music could've been better. My rating is a "watch it if you have time" rating
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
November 16 2013 13:26 GMT
#712
the footage had potential but like others said, it felt a bit rushed
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
November 16 2013 13:30 GMT
#713
Awesome
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
November 16 2013 14:19 GMT
#714
Holy cow just watched the smash bros doc. An over 3 hour documentary about a game I've never played... and i was glued to the screen. Whereas I was slightly bored by part 1 of Sons of Starcraft, a documentary about my 2 favorite games and two of my favorite guys in it.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 16 2013 15:02 GMT
#715
Wow, thanks to the people for talking about the smash bros doc. Just watched the first part and holy crap this is good.
gonzomd
Profile Joined May 2009
United States65 Posts
November 16 2013 15:10 GMT
#716
On November 16 2013 23:19 robson1 wrote:
Holy cow just watched the smash bros doc. An over 3 hour documentary about a game I've never played... and i was glued to the screen. Whereas I was slightly bored by part 1 of Sons of Starcraft, a documentary about my 2 favorite games and two of my favorite guys in it.

I completely agree with your post (I've never played that game either). Going even further than films about gamers, there is a documentary called Helvetica that really changed the way I view documentaries. That is a film about a FONT and on paper should be the dullest of dull in terms of watching a movie, but it is very interesting. That film proved to me that there is no subject that could not be made interesting given a competent filmmaker.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
November 16 2013 15:26 GMT
#717
On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:
On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:
On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing.


Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols.


I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft.


A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology.


THIS and nothing else.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 16 2013 15:30 GMT
#718
Wow, reddit is pooping on this so hard... I feel like a complete idiot now for actually enjoying it A LOT, perhaps the most I've enjoyed a SC2-related documentary so far. I even loved the music, something must be terribly wrong with me apparently.

Anyway, keep up the good work, stay strong and looking forward to the next episodes. Oh and it touched me emotionally too, which seems to be the biggest issue reddits are bitching about. I have to admit that even tears were shed. So good.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 16 2013 16:09 GMT
#719
"for the past 10 to 12 years my mind has been nothing but starcraft" -artosis, 2013 hearthstone world champ.

unfortunate timing on that one ;D
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 16:14:15
November 16 2013 16:12 GMT
#720
On November 17 2013 00:26 marcesr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 14:39 Korelle wrote:
On November 16 2013 14:20 zefreak wrote:
On November 16 2013 14:18 Korelle wrote:
On November 16 2013 14:14 crms wrote:
the only way you can defend this as a good 'film' is if you're blinded by sc2/tastosis fandom and you don't care about the quality of the actual documentary and that's totally fine, but the documentary as a standalone is indefensible and truly awful. An outsider would rate this 2/10 max. Really fucking depressing.


Sadly I fear there's so much insular navel gazing and old-boys club backscratching in SC2 esports that this will just fly over their heads and there'll just be a bit of back slapping self-congratulating about the whole thing and the criticism will be ignored. Especially when there's still a large army of fanboys out there willing to blindly praise anything featuring their idols.


I think most people will watch it, think 'that's interesting' and move on with their lives. Why was there so much hype for this to begin with? It's an amateur documentary about two friends who cast Starcraft.


A lot of people owe Richard Lewis an apology.


THIS and nothing else.

He got is free hits from feeding into the drama and the attention he wanted. I don't think anyone owes him anything.

On November 17 2013 01:09 turdburgler wrote:
"for the past 10 to 12 years my mind has been nothing but starcraft" -artosis, 2013 hearthstone world champ.

unfortunate timing on that one ;D


Artosis loves collectible card games. I think we can forgive him for having a hobby and being a well round, not obsessive, crazy person. He also has a daughter, who I think might take up some of his CPU cycles.
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