EPTIts filmed in a very weird way i feel, but im still dazzled why this project needed 42 000 dollars. This really could be done free ?
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
Its filmed in a very weird way i feel, but im still dazzled why this project needed 42 000 dollars. This really could be done free ? | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote: You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet. Yeah but after waiting so long. Why do we have to wait for 3 more fucking parts? What is the the reason this doc is split up? Is it because it isnt ready yet? Is it because they want to hype something? I love Tasteless and Artosis and Day[9], i could listen to them the whole day. But i could as well turn into one of their streams. This this not better production value than a Artosis, Tasteless or Day[9] stream. This is just bad. Sorry but its the truth. Liquid rising gave a few more insights than any interview. Even HotBid interviewing the two would be more entertaining than watching this peace of ********. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote: You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet. you seem to forget that he took $40,000 of the community's money and had two years to put this together. if the first part is any indication, i doubt the other three parts wont be any less rushed and amateurish as this. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 17 2013 07:39 Sabu113 wrote: Kinda sad. The community and game has been screaming for a good documentary they can take and drop on their friends and persuade them to check it out. Something like Indie game the movie or that King of Kong documentary. Both times "branded" backstoppers of unknowns have kinda disappointed with putting their brand behind inferior products. The recent EG documentary is pretty damn good. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:54 Terranist wrote: you seem to forget that he took $40,000 of the community's money and had two years to put this together. if the first part is any indication, i doubt the other three parts wont be any less rushed and amateurish as this. The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
I'm not really too surprised that people in the Starcraft community aren't particularly pleased by it, because the main personality's in this are pretty damn well known at this point. Personally I haven't even bothered to watch it yet because I know quite a bit about Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless already. I'm more interested in what other gaming communities have to say about the documentary specifically ones that aren't really into E-sports like Dota and LoL etc, more traditional outlets like IGN and Giantbomb. Edit: 420th post blaze up yo | ||
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gophario
United States169 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:58 Plansix wrote: The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects. Ya I agree, I don't understand peoples expectations that just because they gave money, to a source that they have no prior products to reference, that they should be satisfied with the result. It sucks that they promised updates and all that and didn't follow through but you can't realistically expect to be happy with the end product. By donating money you are simply betting or hoping that the end result will live up to your personal expectations. If the documentary isn't up to your standards simply saying so is all you can really do. Unfortunately rather than realize that donating money to kickstarters and the like is risky I believe we are in for more sensationalist drama and witch hunting which is exactly what this community needs even more of. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 17 2013 07:12 Conti wrote: And in 2 years you will get the full length documentary. It's downright adorable how some people have issues with waiting a week when they've been waiting for over a full year already. Complain about the documentary all you like. Complain about the delays, complain about the quality, whatever. You probably have a good point doing that. But that they're not showing it all in one go and make you wait a week per 'episode'? Complain about that, and you're just looking for something to complain about at this point. Sorry, but choosing to release it in episodes after everyone is already clearly pissed / annoyed is just another bad decision. So many bad decisions surrounding this documentary, it doesn't really matter what they do now. People wil find it bad. I mean, what other reason that marketing could there be for them to release it in episodes? I don't want to go down the "They haven't even finished working on it yet"-road. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:50 Avean wrote: I dont understand the need for 42 000 $ which supporters gave to this project ? Why ? There is no need for this to cost any money except travelling and having a camera. When there are interviews we get to see movie of a crowd cheering but no sound, only the interview sound. Totally missing an opportunity to showcase the excitement of the game. Its filmed in a very weird way i feel, but im still dazzled why this project needed 42 000 dollars. This really could be done free ? Well there are other expenses to go with that. Like food and housing and shit. And soju. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 17 2013 08:58 Plansix wrote: The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects. How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project? You are talking about time travel here to see if its worth. I understand kickstarter is close to donating but its not the same. The backer comes with a preposition and a promise to make x and asks if people are willing to give him money. This is different then a donation where you seem to be focused on a bit a too much on. He asked for money and it got given for a goal, that is a fact. People didn't gave it out of nowhere out of goodness of their hearts so please stop with the "well you didn't need to give him money". Oh and i am sure that if it doesn't get better at least some people won't back anymore so everybody loses against this filmmaker, happy end? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote: How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project? Check out the guy's previous works. Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
Anyone with an ounce of business sense knows you don't invest in anything without some idea of what you're getting into. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On November 17 2013 09:48 Craze wrote: You're financing a person without legal liability that demands he produce and deliver a product to a certain standard and by a certain time. Kickstarter is a complete crapshoot, especially when you finance someone without significant prior work experience to which they can point and give an example of what they do. Anyone with an ounce of business sense knows you don't invest in anything without some idea of what you're getting into. Anyone knows that, unless prominent community figures make adverdisement for it. You believe in their word, not the one that is starting it. | ||
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
Kudos to everyone recommending that Smash documentary, which seemed so much more like a true labor of love, and one in which you can truly feel the directors love and appreciation for the game. Hell, I dont even play Smash nor know anything about its community or its icons yet I was glued to my screen and loved the narrative and story lines that the Documentary covered. I want to say I'm disappointed in SoS, but I cant say I am. Another great example of someone exploiting the community in the name of Esports and promising big things and horribly under delivering. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 17 2013 09:55 BlueFlames wrote: Anyone knows that, unless prominent community figures make adverdisement for it. You believe in their word, not the one that is starting it. Well, guess what, I don't think tasteless and artosis will do anything like this again. If anything, this's likely the last Esports documentary we will see for a long time. And tasteless and artosis are less likely to work with anyone who doesn't have a huge body of work. Live and learn son, live and learn. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
It is too bad that amateurism and sloppy, clumsy PR is still the norm for the SC2 scene. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On November 17 2013 09:45 Conti wrote: Check out the guy's previous works. Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then. This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On November 17 2013 10:31 Thrillz wrote: This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations. Supposedly he also ended up in debt. I think it's safe to say that the smash bros doc was underfunded and that its quality is not indicative of what you could normally expect for that level of funding. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On November 17 2013 11:10 Grumbels wrote: Supposedly he also ended up in debt. I think it's safe to say that the smash bros doc was underfunded and that its quality is not indicative of what you could normally expect for that level of funding. iirc, the kickstarter deadline was approaching to the end so he had to spot around 2k himself to ensure the goal was met. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other huge debt gone into the production? | ||
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