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Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
November 16 2013 23:50 GMT
#741
I dont understand the need for 42 000 $ which supporters gave to this project ? Why ? There is no need for this to cost any money except travelling and having a camera. When there are interviews we get to see movie of a crowd cheering but no sound, only the interview sound. Totally missing an opportunity to showcase the excitement of the game.

Its filmed in a very weird way i feel, but im still dazzled why this project needed 42 000 dollars. This really could be done free ?
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
November 16 2013 23:51 GMT
#742
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 07:32 YuiHirasawa wrote:
What I imagined: Seeing tasteless and artosis at home in their daily life, hard working, lost in tanslation, showing their passion about the game and how they sacrificed everything to get there.

What I got: Tasteless playing street fighter and how tastosis are great and all and Esports Esports Esports Starcraft Hard for masterminds, Esports and more circlejerking and more Esports.


You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet.


Yeah but after waiting so long. Why do we have to wait for 3 more fucking parts?
What is the the reason this doc is split up? Is it because it isnt ready yet? Is it because they want to hype something?
I love Tasteless and Artosis and Day[9], i could listen to them the whole day. But i could as well turn into one of their streams.
This this not better production value than a Artosis, Tasteless or Day[9] stream.
This is just bad. Sorry but its the truth.

Liquid rising gave a few more insights than any interview. Even HotBid interviewing the two would be more entertaining than watching this peace of ********.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
November 16 2013 23:54 GMT
#743
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 07:32 YuiHirasawa wrote:
What I imagined: Seeing tasteless and artosis at home in their daily life, hard working, lost in tanslation, showing their passion about the game and how they sacrificed everything to get there.

What I got: Tasteless playing street fighter and how tastosis are great and all and Esports Esports Esports Starcraft Hard for masterminds, Esports and more circlejerking and more Esports.


You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet.


you seem to forget that he took $40,000 of the community's money and had two years to put this together. if the first part is any indication, i doubt the other three parts wont be any less rushed and amateurish as this.
The Show of a Lifetime
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 16 2013 23:54 GMT
#744
On November 17 2013 07:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Kinda sad. The community and game has been screaming for a good documentary they can take and drop on their friends and persuade them to check it out. Something like Indie game the movie or that King of Kong documentary. Both times "branded" backstoppers of unknowns have kinda disappointed with putting their brand behind inferior products.

The recent EG documentary is pretty damn good.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2013 23:58 GMT
#745
On November 17 2013 08:54 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:32 YuiHirasawa wrote:
What I imagined: Seeing tasteless and artosis at home in their daily life, hard working, lost in tanslation, showing their passion about the game and how they sacrificed everything to get there.

What I got: Tasteless playing street fighter and how tastosis are great and all and Esports Esports Esports Starcraft Hard for masterminds, Esports and more circlejerking and more Esports.


You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet.


you seem to forget that he took $40,000 of the community's money and had two years to put this together. if the first part is any indication, i doubt the other three parts wont be any less rushed and amateurish as this.

The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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haffy
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 00:06:10
November 17 2013 00:03 GMT
#746
Has anyone showed this to friends who don't really follow Starcraft? Because I think the most interesting part of documentaries are when you get an insight into a world you don't know much about or previously had no interest, or a passing interest at best.

I'm not really too surprised that people in the Starcraft community aren't particularly pleased by it, because the main personality's in this are pretty damn well known at this point. Personally I haven't even bothered to watch it yet because I know quite a bit about Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless already.

I'm more interested in what other gaming communities have to say about the documentary specifically ones that aren't really into E-sports like Dota and LoL etc, more traditional outlets like IGN and Giantbomb.


Edit: 420th post blaze up yo
gophario
Profile Joined July 2011
United States169 Posts
November 17 2013 00:06 GMT
#747
On November 17 2013 08:58 Plansix wrote:
The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects.


Ya I agree, I don't understand peoples expectations that just because they gave money, to a source that they have no prior products to reference, that they should be satisfied with the result. It sucks that they promised updates and all that and didn't follow through but you can't realistically expect to be happy with the end product. By donating money you are simply betting or hoping that the end result will live up to your personal expectations.

If the documentary isn't up to your standards simply saying so is all you can really do. Unfortunately rather than realize that donating money to kickstarters and the like is risky I believe we are in for more sensationalist drama and witch hunting which is exactly what this community needs even more of.
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
November 17 2013 00:07 GMT
#748
I didn't think it was that bad, but I think a lot of this backlash could have been saved if they had released all the parts at once. My guess is there is more background/behind the scenes stuff in the later parts, but now everyone sees part 1 as the entire thing. The WCG story is the kind of thing that should be in there, the problem is everyone already in the community has heard that story.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
November 17 2013 00:07 GMT
#749
On November 17 2013 07:12 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 06:40 iSiN wrote:
So I know how the production cycle works in this line of business and a 30 minute sneak peak in 2 years is kind of disgusting to me. In 2 years I expect a full length 2 hour documentary fully polished and ready to be shown at multiple film shows AND probably winning awards. The next "parts" better be rolling out briskly. I feel sorry for everyone that donated to this kickstarter.

edit: That being said the first 30 minutes wasn't bad.

And in 2 years you will get the full length documentary. It's downright adorable how some people have issues with waiting a week when they've been waiting for over a full year already.

Complain about the documentary all you like. Complain about the delays, complain about the quality, whatever. You probably have a good point doing that. But that they're not showing it all in one go and make you wait a week per 'episode'? Complain about that, and you're just looking for something to complain about at this point.


Sorry, but choosing to release it in episodes after everyone is already clearly pissed / annoyed is just another bad decision. So many bad decisions surrounding this documentary, it doesn't really matter what they do now. People wil find it bad.

I mean, what other reason that marketing could there be for them to release it in episodes? I don't want to go down the "They haven't even finished working on it yet"-road.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 17 2013 00:35 GMT
#750
On November 17 2013 08:50 Avean wrote:
I dont understand the need for 42 000 $ which supporters gave to this project ? Why ? There is no need for this to cost any money except travelling and having a camera. When there are interviews we get to see movie of a crowd cheering but no sound, only the interview sound. Totally missing an opportunity to showcase the excitement of the game.

Its filmed in a very weird way i feel, but im still dazzled why this project needed 42 000 dollars. This really could be done free ?


Well there are other expenses to go with that. Like food and housing and shit. And soju.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 00:54:10
November 17 2013 00:42 GMT
#751
On November 17 2013 08:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 08:54 Terranist wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:25 Grettin wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:32 YuiHirasawa wrote:
What I imagined: Seeing tasteless and artosis at home in their daily life, hard working, lost in tanslation, showing their passion about the game and how they sacrificed everything to get there.

What I got: Tasteless playing street fighter and how tastosis are great and all and Esports Esports Esports Starcraft Hard for masterminds, Esports and more circlejerking and more Esports.


You seem to forget that there is three more parts coming. Trust me, most of who were disappointed -- wants something else than 'circlejerk' about e-sprots and whatever we already got, but don't count everything out just yet.


you seem to forget that he took $40,000 of the community's money and had two years to put this together. if the first part is any indication, i doubt the other three parts wont be any less rushed and amateurish as this.

The community didn't need to give him the money. I get people being upset about not getting updates, but if you don't like the quality of the work, don't back kickstarter projects.

How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project? You are talking about time travel here to see if its worth. I understand kickstarter is close to donating but its not the same. The backer comes with a preposition and a promise to make x and asks if people are willing to give him money. This is different then a donation where you seem to be focused on a bit a too much on. He asked for money and it got given for a goal, that is a fact. People didn't gave it out of nowhere out of goodness of their hearts so please stop with the "well you didn't need to give him money". Oh and i am sure that if it doesn't get better at least some people won't back anymore so everybody loses against this filmmaker, happy end?
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 17 2013 00:45 GMT
#752
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote:
How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project?

Check out the guy's previous works.

Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then.
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
November 17 2013 00:48 GMT
#753
You're financing a person without legal liability that demands he produce and deliver a product to a certain standard and by a certain time. Kickstarter is a complete crapshoot, especially when you finance someone without significant prior work experience to which they can point and give an example of what they do.

Anyone with an ounce of business sense knows you don't invest in anything without some idea of what you're getting into.
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 00:55:35
November 17 2013 00:55 GMT
#754
On November 17 2013 09:48 Craze wrote:
You're financing a person without legal liability that demands he produce and deliver a product to a certain standard and by a certain time. Kickstarter is a complete crapshoot, especially when you finance someone without significant prior work experience to which they can point and give an example of what they do.

Anyone with an ounce of business sense knows you don't invest in anything without some idea of what you're getting into.


Anyone knows that, unless prominent community figures make adverdisement for it. You believe in their word, not the one that is starting it.
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
November 17 2013 01:10 GMT
#755
Ugh, this was shit. And the sad thing, is that nobody is surprised.

Kudos to everyone recommending that Smash documentary, which seemed so much more like a true labor of love, and one in which you can truly feel the directors love and appreciation for the game. Hell, I dont even play Smash nor know anything about its community or its icons yet I was glued to my screen and loved the narrative and story lines that the Documentary covered. I want to say I'm disappointed in SoS, but I cant say I am. Another great example of someone exploiting the community in the name of Esports and promising big things and horribly under delivering.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 17 2013 01:22 GMT
#756
On November 17 2013 09:55 BlueFlames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 09:48 Craze wrote:
You're financing a person without legal liability that demands he produce and deliver a product to a certain standard and by a certain time. Kickstarter is a complete crapshoot, especially when you finance someone without significant prior work experience to which they can point and give an example of what they do.

Anyone with an ounce of business sense knows you don't invest in anything without some idea of what you're getting into.


Anyone knows that, unless prominent community figures make adverdisement for it. You believe in their word, not the one that is starting it.

Well, guess what, I don't think tasteless and artosis will do anything like this again. If anything, this's likely the last Esports documentary we will see for a long time. And tasteless and artosis are less likely to work with anyone who doesn't have a huge body of work.

Live and learn son, live and learn.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
November 17 2013 01:22 GMT
#757
I'm fine with the griping. Waiting two years for this, you might as well get your money's worth of complaining.

It is too bad that amateurism and sloppy, clumsy PR is still the norm for the SC2 scene.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 01:31:16
November 17 2013 01:31 GMT
#758
On November 17 2013 09:45 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote:
How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project?

Check out the guy's previous works.

Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then.


This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 17 2013 02:10 GMT
#759
On November 17 2013 10:31 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 09:45 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote:
How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project?

Check out the guy's previous works.

Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then.


This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations.

Supposedly he also ended up in debt. I think it's safe to say that the smash bros doc was underfunded and that its quality is not indicative of what you could normally expect for that level of funding.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
November 17 2013 02:20 GMT
#760
On November 17 2013 11:10 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:31 Thrillz wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:45 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote:
How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project?

Check out the guy's previous works.

Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then.


This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations.

Supposedly he also ended up in debt. I think it's safe to say that the smash bros doc was underfunded and that its quality is not indicative of what you could normally expect for that level of funding.


iirc, the kickstarter deadline was approaching to the end so he had to spot around 2k himself to ensure the goal was met. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other huge debt gone into the production?
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