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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 17 2013 02:25 GMT
#761
Smash was also nine years of footage for a community you know nothing about, not a retrospective on the careers of two of the most well-known figures in esports.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 17 2013 02:25 GMT
#762
On November 17 2013 11:20 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 11:10 Grumbels wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:31 Thrillz wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:45 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:42 Assirra wrote:
How can you check out of the quality of a work before you back a project?

Check out the guy's previous works.

Oh, he never did anything even remotely close to this? Well.. better start lowering your expectations, then.


This plus more. Since people are comparing to the Smash Bros doc, you can clearly see the progress prior to release, and why it looked promising throughout compared to SoS. Like that dude had experience, and even made a mock pilot episode to show viability and his talents. He put quite a bit of his own money to make sure the goal was reached. The process was transparent and there were constant snippets and updates. SoS didn't do much of this, so yeah not the biggest surprise. Better lower your expectations.

Supposedly he also ended up in debt. I think it's safe to say that the smash bros doc was underfunded and that its quality is not indicative of what you could normally expect for that level of funding.


iirc, the kickstarter deadline was approaching to the end so he had to spot around 2k himself to ensure the goal was met. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other huge debt gone into the production?

Dunno, I saw a reddit post about it. Not the best source I know.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 17 2013 02:32 GMT
#763
On November 17 2013 11:25 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Smash was also nine years of footage for a community you know nothing about, not a retrospective on the careers of two of the most well-known figures in esports.

Yea but was that what we got? an interview complication where the only question basically was "talk about tastosis" and just ask everyone in the scene.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 02:50:49
November 17 2013 02:41 GMT
#764
On November 17 2013 11:25 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Smash was also nine years of footage for a community you know nothing about, not a retrospective on the careers of two of the most well-known figures in esports.


But there are years of footage from the old days of SC/Tasteless/Artosis as well? Where's the history or direction? The first one looked like a glorified vblog with repeated elevator music. I hope the others are better and they actually kick up the pace and content...but...
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 03:26:21
November 17 2013 03:25 GMT
#765
I wouldn't mind waiting for an extra year for a superior product. Now this is getting sad that we got is a work of amateurs. I've seen couple of dudes working on to summarize a Magic: the Gathering tour edit out a better documentary in matters of days. And the footage collected in that video could have easily been done in weeks.

Final verdict: If you expect something mind blowing and ground breaking, well take a walk. However if you are massive fanboy of Tastosis, then you might enjoy it.
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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 05:11:51
November 17 2013 05:09 GMT
#766
On November 17 2013 10:10 Wedge wrote:
Ugh, this was shit. And the sad thing, is that nobody is surprised.

Kudos to everyone recommending that Smash documentary, which seemed so much more like a true labor of love, and one in which you can truly feel the directors love and appreciation for the game. Hell, I dont even play Smash nor know anything about its community or its icons yet I was glued to my screen and loved the narrative and story lines that the Documentary covered. I want to say I'm disappointed in SoS, but I cant say I am. Another great example of someone exploiting the community in the name of Esports and promising big things and horribly under delivering.


I knew nothing about the Smash scene or the game (never played it) but that's why the Smash doc was so good. It was riveting. You learned the history of the game, the players the scene, etc, so much so that I wanted to be *in* that scene when it was over.

I fully expected SoS to have that same feel. To start in the present and quickly introduce Tastosis and why they are important, and then to flash back to the very beginning and tell each individual story in full and how they came together in the end to be so dominant.

Instead we just get a bunch of interviews saying how great SC is, over and over, for the first 20 mins, and then we breeze through both of their Brood War careers in 5 mins. The music does not help matters. Nor does the editing or the interviews. The lack of any real depth here is disturbing. Any newcomer to the SC scene would have no idea WTF this was really even supposed to be about.

At a certain point both these guys need to be careful as stuff like this is tarnishing their brand.
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
November 17 2013 05:11 GMT
#767
I have no idea what people are talking about. This is fine.
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Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 05:38:49
November 17 2013 05:35 GMT
#768
Starcraft 2 fans are so gullible lol. Why would ANYONE want to donate someone to make a documentary is beyond me. especially where the pros/casters are willing to do free interviews.

edit: The film making crew could have made MUCH more money if they released this documentary on time with great quality. It could very well define their film making career. The community would've fund another project, but I guess 40k made you guys blind.

Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 07:07:55
November 17 2013 07:03 GMT
#769
On November 17 2013 14:11 Klipsys wrote:
I have no idea what people are talking about. This is fine.


It's fine if it is just some independent project or something that someone did in their spare time. But considering the amount of money placed into it,the advertising, and how long it took... it is wildly disappointing. Just compare to some of the other recent gaming docs. They better hit the other parts out of the park...because people seriously need to stop throwing money at these type of things and having out of world expectations without some evidence of credentials.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
November 17 2013 07:56 GMT
#770
On November 17 2013 08:54 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 07:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Kinda sad. The community and game has been screaming for a good documentary they can take and drop on their friends and persuade them to check it out. Something like Indie game the movie or that King of Kong documentary. Both times "branded" backstoppers of unknowns have kinda disappointed with putting their brand behind inferior products.

The recent EG documentary is pretty damn good.


Oooh. The huk one? Ok i'l check it out.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 17 2013 09:10 GMT
#771
On November 17 2013 09:03 haffy wrote:
Has anyone showed this to friends who don't really follow Starcraft? Because I think the most interesting part of documentaries are when you get an insight into a world you don't know much about or previously had no interest, or a passing interest at best.

I'm not really too surprised that people in the Starcraft community aren't particularly pleased by it, because the main personality's in this are pretty damn well known at this point. Personally I haven't even bothered to watch it yet because I know quite a bit about Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless already.

I'm more interested in what other gaming communities have to say about the documentary specifically ones that aren't really into E-sports like Dota and LoL etc, more traditional outlets like IGN and Giantbomb.


Edit: 420th post blaze up yo


See, this is one of the problems in my opinion. The "documentary" (I actually think a documentary shouldn't be a commercial, but let's skip that part) seems to be aiming for the complete outsider who has never even heard of eSports or Starcraft, Starcraft 2, etc. yet we can be pretty sure (I think) that the very main audience will be Starcraft 2 fans /Tastosis fans who already are familiar with the topic, and so far I think most of them got bored with shallow information that they already knew about. It's quite a dilemma to me, because so far Sons of Starcraft seems to be aiming towards a tiny percentage of the audience, the outsider, while the audience that financed this project might be somewhat disappointed.

Let's not forget that this was only part 1, so I'm hopeful that the later episodes, now that we got an introduction to the topic, will go more in depth.
Bashnek
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 09:46:43
November 17 2013 09:45 GMT
#772
On November 17 2013 18:10 UmberBane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 09:03 haffy wrote:
Has anyone showed this to friends who don't really follow Starcraft? Because I think the most interesting part of documentaries are when you get an insight into a world you don't know much about or previously had no interest, or a passing interest at best.

I'm not really too surprised that people in the Starcraft community aren't particularly pleased by it, because the main personality's in this are pretty damn well known at this point. Personally I haven't even bothered to watch it yet because I know quite a bit about Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless already.

I'm more interested in what other gaming communities have to say about the documentary specifically ones that aren't really into E-sports like Dota and LoL etc, more traditional outlets like IGN and Giantbomb.


Edit: 420th post blaze up yo


See, this is one of the problems in my opinion. The "documentary" (I actually think a documentary shouldn't be a commercial, but let's skip that part) seems to be aiming for the complete outsider who has never even heard of eSports or Starcraft, Starcraft 2, etc. yet we can be pretty sure (I think) that the very main audience will be Starcraft 2 fans /Tastosis fans who already are familiar with the topic


If they were aiming it at complete outsiders they need to explain starcraft more than "its the hardest best game ever just trust me on this its amazing dont touch it if you arent good at it" , as others have said the opening minutes of the smash doc does a great job of this - it explains the game first at its most base levels, then goes into more detail later.


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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
November 17 2013 10:27 GMT
#773
JESUS, people. Y'all are flipping out over this documentary and you haven't even seen more than a quarter of it.

Calm down the judgment.
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
November 17 2013 10:31 GMT
#774
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
November 17 2013 10:42 GMT
#775
On November 17 2013 19:27 Nuclease wrote:
JESUS, people. Y'all are flipping out over this documentary and you haven't even seen more than a quarter of it.

Calm down the judgment.



If you saw 1/4 of a pile of shit on the road, I'm sure you would be fine judging it before seeing the other 3/4.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
November 17 2013 10:47 GMT
#776
the best thing about this thread is that it led me to the smash brothers doc.
to all those who didnt watch it yet: please do so.

OT: "He has never done anything like this before therefore you can expect it to be bad"
while that may be true, it is still allowed for people to call it bad.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 17 2013 11:01 GMT
#777
Agreed on that ^ The only good thing about Sons of Starcraft is that it led me to the smash bro's doco.
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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 17 2013 11:26 GMT
#778
Where can I find the Smash Bros documentary?

And also, what did people expect? It's good to be optimistic, but many of you paid lots of money to people that have never made a documentary before, and expect to get a BBC-quality documentary. Hopefully this teaches some people about why they shouldn't support Kickstarter-projects.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
November 17 2013 11:35 GMT
#779
On November 17 2013 16:56 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 08:54 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Kinda sad. The community and game has been screaming for a good documentary they can take and drop on their friends and persuade them to check it out. Something like Indie game the movie or that King of Kong documentary. Both times "branded" backstoppers of unknowns have kinda disappointed with putting their brand behind inferior products.

The recent EG documentary is pretty damn good.


Oooh. The huk one? Ok i'l check it out.

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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 17 2013 12:20 GMT
#780
On November 17 2013 20:26 Arnstein wrote:
Where can I find the Smash Bros documentary?
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http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoUHkRwnRH-KTCH3tJ9WvsWWPEgUu-y6d
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