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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 28 2012 18:07 GMT
#81
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 28 2012 18:08 GMT
#82
On September 29 2012 03:05 Doso wrote:
Maybe after this, KeSpa is finnaly forced to accept GSL as the other big league and we might see a new united ProLeague casted by OSL and GomTV.


How would this make any sense?
Gom doesn't really have the viewers to make this worth it
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
September 28 2012 18:08 GMT
#83
kespa gets bad publicity in front of the naive eyes of sc2 players > naive sc2 players think a team disbanding that is associated with kespa is a good thing
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18759 Posts
September 28 2012 18:09 GMT
#84
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


oh yeah I totally missed the overfull stadiums in GSL and GSTL...
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 28 2012 18:11 GMT
#85
should have posted this in BW forum because its blatantly apparent no one here has any idea what the hell they are talking about.
starleague forever
elt
Profile Joined July 2010
Thailand1092 Posts
September 28 2012 18:11 GMT
#86
On September 29 2012 02:59 eleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:05 digmouse wrote:
Um, the news said it was one of Woongjin Group's affiliate, Kukdong Engineering and Construction that goes bankruptcy, does that do a hell lot with Woongjin Group itself?


Anyone want to further clarify this news?


Second news article:
"It was regrettable in this regard that the group’s two core units, Woongjin Holdings and Kukdong Construction, filed for court receivership, similar to bankruptcy protection in the United States, Wednesday."

From reading the two articles what I gather is that the chairman tried to go too big too fast, spent too much money for too little return. What usually happens is that whatever is salvageable is spun-off and sold to repay creditors. Woogjin Group itself will probably consolidate in whatever profitable core-business is left and try to cut losses. Running a KeSPA team is costly with no clear return and is usually one of the first kinds of items to go. This is just my speculation on GTR's speculation.
(Under Construction)
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 28 2012 18:11 GMT
#87
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


Yup. Just look how successful sc2 is in Korea right now. Whew. Silly me, I thought Kespa players would have brought more attention but I was wrong I guess
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
September 28 2012 18:13 GMT
#88
Kespa teams are falling apart T.T T8 seems to be the next step if they cant find a sponsor
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
September 28 2012 18:13 GMT
#89
On September 29 2012 03:11 jidolboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


Yup. Just look how successful sc2 is in Korea right now. Whew. Silly me, I thought Kespa players would have brought more attention but I was wrong I guess


sc2 is massive internationally. Maybe not as big as LoL or DotA type games, but the WCS european finals had over 100k live viewers. Just because sc2 isn't massive in korea as BW doesn't invalidate it as a legitimate e-sport. That being said, it is sad to see some of these KesPA teams go under bc soon it looks like there will only be 4 or 5 left
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sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 28 2012 18:16 GMT
#90
On September 29 2012 03:13 Gojira621 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 03:11 jidolboy wrote:
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


Yup. Just look how successful sc2 is in Korea right now. Whew. Silly me, I thought Kespa players would have brought more attention but I was wrong I guess


sc2 is massive internationally. Maybe not as big as LoL or DotA type games, but the WCS european finals had over 100k live viewers. Just because sc2 isn't massive in korea as BW doesn't invalidate it as a legitimate e-sport. That being said, it is sad to see some of these KesPA teams go under bc soon it looks like there will only be 4 or 5 left


I didnt mention anything about sc2 not being an Esport. I said it is already small in Korea but a team disbanding would hurt korean esport scene even more. Actually, any team disbanding would hurt esport not just kespa teams
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
September 28 2012 18:18 GMT
#91
Kespa teams going under is a bigger setback since those teams are generally sponsored by massive conglomerates. New SC2 teams, on the other hand, are mostly sponsored by companies in very niche markets or fly by night operations.
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 18:20:25
September 28 2012 18:19 GMT
#92
Trying to imagine what an 8-team combined ESF+Proleague would look like, if team mergers happened. 8 teams are needed for a good format.

LG-IM and FXO are strong enough to stand on their own
KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung still alive (T8 doesn't have a sponsor)
Zenex will fold I imagine. Slayers would merge with SKT if it wasn't for the trade lock.
Prime, TSL and Startale - maybe one of these is strong enough to be a full Kespa team, not sure about their sponsorship position. The other two will merge with one of the Kespa teams that has money but is low on SC2 talent.

how does
LG-IM
FXO
TSL
CJ
Samsung
SKT-Slayers
KT-Prime
STX-Startale

sound?


Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
September 28 2012 18:21 GMT
#93
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


fine huh? Check out dem sold out gsl stadiums
The Notorious Winkles
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 18:27:10
September 28 2012 18:21 GMT
#94
On September 29 2012 03:09 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 03:07 hunts wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:23 sharkie wrote:
On September 29 2012 02:07 hunts wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm actually happy to see KESPA teams go bankrupt? I mean I'm sad for the players and hope they will find new homes if they want to keep going in SC2, but after all the bad things that have come out of kespa, I just can't help but smile hearing about one of the KESPA companies go bankrupt.


if you like esports dieing, then feel free to be happy


lol. SC2 was fine before BW switched over, it will continue to be fine if KESPA teams die off, so it's not esports dying.


oh yeah I totally missed the overfull stadiums in GSL and GSTL...

sc2 is fine without kespa, we got fans all over the world, and this is true e-sport.

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as1
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 28 2012 18:23 GMT
#95
I hope they don't! I want the BW teams to flourish
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 18:23:27
September 28 2012 18:23 GMT
#96
^^ that ain't gsl son
The Notorious Winkles
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 28 2012 18:25 GMT
#97
Hmm, I wonder if the world is ready to see the Kespa and eSF teams play in a single team tournament. It would certainly be epic.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
September 28 2012 18:41 GMT
#98
are they not allowing esf teams to compete in proleague then? seems to me that would be the best solution if this does indeed happen.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 28 2012 18:49 GMT
#99
On September 29 2012 03:19 Solarsail wrote:
Trying to imagine what an 8-team combined ESF+Proleague would look like, if team mergers happened. 8 teams are needed for a good format.

LG-IM and FXO are strong enough to stand on their own
KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung still alive (T8 doesn't have a sponsor)
Zenex will fold I imagine. Slayers would merge with SKT if it wasn't for the trade lock.
Prime, TSL and Startale - maybe one of these is strong enough to be a full Kespa team, not sure about their sponsorship position. The other two will merge with one of the Kespa teams that has money but is low on SC2 talent.

how does
LG-IM
FXO
TSL
CJ
Samsung
SKT-Slayers
KT-Prime
STX-Startale

sound?




Zenex is already gone.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 28 2012 18:50 GMT
#100
On September 29 2012 03:49 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 03:19 Solarsail wrote:
Trying to imagine what an 8-team combined ESF+Proleague would look like, if team mergers happened. 8 teams are needed for a good format.

LG-IM and FXO are strong enough to stand on their own
KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung still alive (T8 doesn't have a sponsor)
Zenex will fold I imagine. Slayers would merge with SKT if it wasn't for the trade lock.
Prime, TSL and Startale - maybe one of these is strong enough to be a full Kespa team, not sure about their sponsorship position. The other two will merge with one of the Kespa teams that has money but is low on SC2 talent.

how does
LG-IM
FXO
TSL
CJ
Samsung
SKT-Slayers
KT-Prime
STX-Startale

sound?




Zenex is already gone.
StarTale absorbed them, so the players could get a chance to continue their pro-gaming careers
EZ4ENCE
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