EPTWoongjin Stars in danger? - Page 6
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:09 sharkie wrote: oh yeah I totally missed the overfull stadiums in GSL and GSTL... SC2 is a flop inside Korea, but it's doing well internationally and has done well internationally without KeSPA (who is, after all, only concerned with Korea). That said, sadness @ the news.  If Stars does disband, I hope the new players get good homes. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:21 skyflyfish wrote: sc2 is fine without kespa, we got fans all over the world, and this is true e-sport. ![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546579_404595126240741_131840720182851_1259406_1915175924_n.jpg) Brood Wars, at it's peek, could get over 100k people in the live audience. A 4k attendance isn't really impressive. SC2 isn't as popular as Brood Wars was at it's apex, and that's a fact. Before the match fixing scandal and SCII happened KeSPA ran as good a ship as anyone has ever ran in eSports history. On September 29 2012 03:19 Solarsail wrote: Trying to imagine what an 8-team combined ESF+Proleague would look like, if team mergers happened. 8 teams are needed for a good format. LG-IM and FXO are strong enough to stand on their own KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung still alive (T8 doesn't have a sponsor) Zenex will fold I imagine. Slayers would merge with SKT if it wasn't for the trade lock. Prime, TSL and Startale - maybe one of these is strong enough to be a full Kespa team, not sure about their sponsorship position. The other two will merge with one of the Kespa teams that has money but is low on SC2 talent. how does LG-IM FXO TSL CJ Samsung SKT-Slayers KT-Prime STX-Startale sound? What about MVP? Right now, LG-IM, FXO and StarTale look like the three healthiest ESF teams financially. From the outside MVP, Prime, TSL and Slayers (not ESF, I know) seem to be doing okay. Fnatic (also not ESF) also seems to be doing okay. NSH looks about to die. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On September 29 2012 01:46 Black[CAT] wrote: Not even Team 8 got a sponsorship, so looks like Team 8 gonna disband soon as well. Quite likely. STX is also on the bubble. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
A company's main investment and focus project (from the tones of the articles) fails and no wonder a company can no longer sustain themselves. StarCraft has literally nothing to do with the rise, or fall, of Woongjin | ||
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
and Samsung being sued left and right , hard times | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:53 Fischbacher wrote: Brood Wars, at it's peek, could get over 100k people in the live audience. A 4k attendance isn't really impressive. SC2 isn't as popular as Brood Wars was at it's apex, and that's a fact. Before the match fixing scandal and SCII happened KeSPA ran as good a ship as anyone has ever ran in eSports history. What about MVP? Right now, LG-IM, FXO and StarTale look like the three healthiest ESF teams financially. From the outside MVP, Prime, TSL and Slayers (not ESF, I know) seem to be doing okay. Fnatic (also not ESF) also seems to be doing okay. NSH looks about to die. That 100k audience is pure bullshit. Not even hardcore broodwar fanboys believe that kind of rubbish. Highly exaggerated. Trust me, Ive been there. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:11 a176 wrote: should have posted this in BW forum because its blatantly apparent no one here has any idea what the hell they are talking about. if they aren't a BW team it shouldn't be in BW forum. edit: On September 29 2012 04:01 mongmong wrote: That 100k audience is pure bullshit. Not even hardcore broodwar fanboys believe that kind of rubbish. Highly exaggerated. Trust me, Ive been there. care to elaborate? That was a like police report by the city police about crowd control. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:56 ptrpb wrote: The BW team doesn't have much to do with any of this happening sounds like so there's nothing to do with OMG STARCRAFT 2 ISN'T SAVING ESPORTS or whatever you retards are yammering about. A company's main investment and focus project (from the tones of the articles) fails and no wonder a company can no longer sustain themselves. StarCraft has literally nothing to do with the rise, or fall, of Woongjin It's more that in the span of a year 5 KeSPA teams have or will be folded. WeMade Fox, MBC Games Heroes, Hwaseung OZ, Air Force ACE and Woonjing Stars. That, generally, says a lot about the current health of KeSPA teams. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
That sucks. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On September 29 2012 04:01 Fischbacher wrote: It's more that in the span of a year 5 KeSPA teams have or will be folded. WeMade Fox, MBC Games Heroes, Hwaseung OZ, Air Force ACE and Woonjing Stars. That, generally, says a lot about the current health of KeSPA teams. except for wemade none of those have anything to do with kespa rofl. MBC game was the entire MBC company, Hwaseung wanted to go sponsor like soccer teams/bigger investments (pulled out of esports in general), air force ace is military and nothing to do with kespa, and Woongjin is the company going backrupt as well. wemade I still don't actually now what happened to them; I don't recall them being bankrupt or anything and wemade was an online games company. But the other companies pulled out of esports in general, not kespa. | ||
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
1. Proleague continues on with 6 (possibly 7) teams 2. Proleague merges into GSTL Option 2 seems most likely | ||
TheEmulator
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
What the hell, you guys. | ||
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archonOOid
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:53 Fischbacher wrote: What about MVP? Right now, LG-IM, FXO and StarTale look like the three healthiest ESF teams financially. From the outside MVP, Prime, TSL and Slayers (not ESF, I know) seem to be doing okay. Fnatic (also not ESF) also seems to be doing okay. NSH looks about to die. Yeah, I meant NSH when I said Zenex. ST lost their LoL team so I'm not sure. I keep hearing TSL has lots of cash and is very stable. They certainly are able to send their players to foreign events a lot. Forgot about MVP. Maybe a merge with the leftover Kespa team, CJ in my list? | ||
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OneOddOrange
Canada215 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
KeSPA is gonna put GOM out of business sooner or later | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On September 29 2012 04:01 N.geNuity wrote: if they aren't a BW team it shouldn't be in BW forum. edit: care to elaborate? That was a like police report by the city police about crowd control. Official Guiness Record "... “largest audience of a game competition” for the final SKY proleague season 2005 held in Busan, South Korea, in which 120,000 attended to watch the event. SKY is an acronym for the three most prestigious universities in South Korea: Seoul National University, Korea University, and Yonsei University. " http://www.bworldonline.com/weekender/content.php?id=38715 | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The Grand Finals of 'SKY Proleague 2004 1R' was the first success that showed that e-Sports was moving from individual leagues to the Proleague. In the Finals of this competitions, which was held in Gwangalli Busan, 100 thousand spectators(Estimated by the police) gathered up, and made the e-Sports associates very surprised, and later on in the 'SKY Proleague 2005 Former League' 120 thousand spectators gathered up, attracting the attention of major media and foreign newspapers. In 2006 it joined hands with the Germany World Cup and appealed to the general public through a special stage which was set up in front of the City Hall, showing the potentials of e-Sports, and in 2007, it introduced the term of broadcasting rights to the Proleague, contributing to the activation and expansion of added value of e-Sports as digital contents, and furnished a new ground as expansion of e-Sports broadcasting channels. edit- from kespa site | ||
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