EPTOn September 27 2012 02:32 Dodgin wrote:
Why didn't they invite MKP and Leenock then? They were at the event in the open bracket lol...Leenock won from the open bracket!
There were definitely complaints but not nearly as bad as this, at least they are holding a " tournament " to decide who gets invited this time.
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On September 27 2012 02:30 ragz_gt wrote:
They never announced they were seeding 8 KeSPA players, there were talking about MKP and Leenock were part of seeds, then it just blew up and we had a bunch random seeds. No one would retroactively get pissed about someone who didn't show up got invited.
On September 27 2012 02:29 Dodgin wrote:
so like is anyone going to answer my question
so like is anyone going to answer my question
On September 27 2012 02:12 Dodgin wrote:
I'm still wondering where all the bitching was for Raleigh when they announced they were seeding in 8 Kespa players to the group stages although they had not earned it at all. They didn't end up going because it conflicted with Proleague but it would have happened otherwise.
On September 27 2012 02:11 Swords wrote:
I understand this concept, and you are correct in most of your assertions. I think the problem a lot of people have with this is the results of this tournament influence future MLGs (Fall Championship, etc.) If they want to have a MLG vs. KeSPA tournament, then by all means they should do so, but they shouldn't have it affect future tournaments. This means all of the KeSPA players invited have an unfair advantage qualifying for MLGs over the ESF players. Since it's invite only as well, it means the KeSPA players don't even get in on merit, they get in by beating mostly each other, foreigners, and the small number of ESF players that were invited.
tl;dr: MLG can and should have a joint MLG/KeSPA tournament, but that tournament can't invite a majority KeSPA players and then have a major influence over who gets to attend later tournaments. That does shaft the ESF players, basically saying "we value having KeSPA players on the circuit over the ESF players who helped get us where we are now"
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote:
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done.
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done.
I understand this concept, and you are correct in most of your assertions. I think the problem a lot of people have with this is the results of this tournament influence future MLGs (Fall Championship, etc.) If they want to have a MLG vs. KeSPA tournament, then by all means they should do so, but they shouldn't have it affect future tournaments. This means all of the KeSPA players invited have an unfair advantage qualifying for MLGs over the ESF players. Since it's invite only as well, it means the KeSPA players don't even get in on merit, they get in by beating mostly each other, foreigners, and the small number of ESF players that were invited.
tl;dr: MLG can and should have a joint MLG/KeSPA tournament, but that tournament can't invite a majority KeSPA players and then have a major influence over who gets to attend later tournaments. That does shaft the ESF players, basically saying "we value having KeSPA players on the circuit over the ESF players who helped get us where we are now"
I'm still wondering where all the bitching was for Raleigh when they announced they were seeding in 8 Kespa players to the group stages although they had not earned it at all. They didn't end up going because it conflicted with Proleague but it would have happened otherwise.
They never announced they were seeding 8 KeSPA players, there were talking about MKP and Leenock were part of seeds, then it just blew up and we had a bunch random seeds. No one would retroactively get pissed about someone who didn't show up got invited.
Why didn't they invite MKP and Leenock then? They were at the event in the open bracket lol...Leenock won from the open bracket!
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On September 27 2012 02:30 Dosey wrote:
I thought people were bitching about it? I was the most vocal about how they had already started their screwing over of eSF players by not giving MKP a seed but giving mediocre foreigners those seeds instead when they played the name number of matches in the Arena as MKP had while not having near the MLG track record he has.
On September 27 2012 02:29 Dodgin wrote:
so like is anyone going to answer my question
so like is anyone going to answer my question
On September 27 2012 02:12 Dodgin wrote:
I'm still wondering where all the bitching was for Raleigh when they announced they were seeding in 8 Kespa players to the group stages although they had not earned it at all. They didn't end up going because it conflicted with Proleague but it would have happened otherwise.
On September 27 2012 02:11 Swords wrote:
I understand this concept, and you are correct in most of your assertions. I think the problem a lot of people have with this is the results of this tournament influence future MLGs (Fall Championship, etc.) If they want to have a MLG vs. KeSPA tournament, then by all means they should do so, but they shouldn't have it affect future tournaments. This means all of the KeSPA players invited have an unfair advantage qualifying for MLGs over the ESF players. Since it's invite only as well, it means the KeSPA players don't even get in on merit, they get in by beating mostly each other, foreigners, and the small number of ESF players that were invited.
tl;dr: MLG can and should have a joint MLG/KeSPA tournament, but that tournament can't invite a majority KeSPA players and then have a major influence over who gets to attend later tournaments. That does shaft the ESF players, basically saying "we value having KeSPA players on the circuit over the ESF players who helped get us where we are now"
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote:
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done.
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done.
I understand this concept, and you are correct in most of your assertions. I think the problem a lot of people have with this is the results of this tournament influence future MLGs (Fall Championship, etc.) If they want to have a MLG vs. KeSPA tournament, then by all means they should do so, but they shouldn't have it affect future tournaments. This means all of the KeSPA players invited have an unfair advantage qualifying for MLGs over the ESF players. Since it's invite only as well, it means the KeSPA players don't even get in on merit, they get in by beating mostly each other, foreigners, and the small number of ESF players that were invited.
tl;dr: MLG can and should have a joint MLG/KeSPA tournament, but that tournament can't invite a majority KeSPA players and then have a major influence over who gets to attend later tournaments. That does shaft the ESF players, basically saying "we value having KeSPA players on the circuit over the ESF players who helped get us where we are now"
I'm still wondering where all the bitching was for Raleigh when they announced they were seeding in 8 Kespa players to the group stages although they had not earned it at all. They didn't end up going because it conflicted with Proleague but it would have happened otherwise.
I thought people were bitching about it? I was the most vocal about how they had already started their screwing over of eSF players by not giving MKP a seed but giving mediocre foreigners those seeds instead when they played the name number of matches in the Arena as MKP had while not having near the MLG track record he has.
There were definitely complaints but not nearly as bad as this, at least they are holding a " tournament " to decide who gets invited this time.
That's probably because they never officially announced it, so it was just "speculation" that those seeds were going to KeSPA. Unless something is staring the forum denizens in the face, they really wont pay attention to it.
