EPTI understand how the ESF players must feel, when they were playing in MLG tournaments, much to their success and now they are being repaid with this. But it is not their choice what are the rules here. However they have full right to bail out if they choose to.
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
I understand how the ESF players must feel, when they were playing in MLG tournaments, much to their success and now they are being repaid with this. But it is not their choice what are the rules here. However they have full right to bail out if they choose to. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
...go ESF...the made the game and competition what it is today. KESPA should stop trying to get by on name and name only. MLG needs to stop hyping up the KESPA players like they have done anything in the SC2 scene. | ||
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Kubricks
284 Posts
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:53 AlmondCS wrote: uh... whats your point? esf/gsl also get to decide who they invite to their tournament. they give foreign players seeds even though they didnt go through the qualifiers. GSL "chose" to make it that way too. so whats the problem here? its the choice of MLG! dont go all crazy saying it's unfair. Gosh, is ESF going to do stuff like this every single time? It's childish and it's getting old. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:05 seoul_kiM wrote: ...and then the Fall Championship will come and an ESF player will win it.... ...go ESF...the made the game and competition what it is today. KESPA should stop trying to get by on name and name only. MLG needs to stop hyping up the KESPA players like they have done anything in the SC2 scene. Rain.... | ||
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mage36
415 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote: but eSF players are getting spots in the KR/TW qualifiers and made up 7 of the top 8 from Raleigh that get to go to Dallas. ESF gets 3 spots from KR/TW qual, 1 from MvP invitational and Kespa gets 4 from MvP invitational. Unless they are inviting more Kespa players after this It's exactly equal although the methods of qualification are different. ( and more difficult for ESF ) It just so happens than top 8 of the previous MLG are all Korean players, might not happen again. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:09 Salazarz wrote: On a side note, why is eSF announcing that they won't play in this literally on the day of the matches? The details of the tournament were published quite a while ago, yet they wait until it's time to play the games, then say, 'oh changed our minds lol'. They didn't announce shit, it's just Gamespot releasing a story on it. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:09 Dodgin wrote: ESF gets 3 spots from KR/TW qual, 1 from MvP invitational and Kespa gets 4 from MvP invitational. Unless they are inviting more Kespa players after this It's exactly equal although the methods of qualification are different. ( and more difficult for ESF ) It just so happens than top 8 of the previous MLG are all Korean players, might not happen again. which is why i don't get ESF being upset. How many players actually declined? I've seen 3 names, MKP, DRG and Losira. And the only "evidence" of ESF pulling out is FXOBoss's speculation. There might not be any drama here. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:12 jmbthirteen wrote: which is why i don't get ESF being upset. How many players actually declined? I've seen 3 names, MKP, DRG and Losira. And the only "evidence" of ESF pulling out is FXOBoss's speculation. There might not be any drama here. I was just expanding on your point, I agree with you. I think this is just Slasher trying to get hits and create drama out of nothing. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:04 Roman666 wrote: You guys do realize this is KeSPA's tournament as much as it is MLG's? Both companies have a say here not only MLG. That is why KeSPA gets more players into it. There's nothing else to it, no foul play involved. I understand how the ESF players must feel, when they were playing in MLG tournaments, much to their success and now they are being repaid with this. But it is not their choice what are the rules here. However they have full right to bail out if they choose to. Why didn't Liquid seed all their players into TSL? It was their tournament after all. The reason is that it would have been completely unfair. And you're free to host unfair tournaments, but no one would have taken TSL seriously if they had done that. It generally isn't good when teams host their own tournaments, because they tend to bias them massively in their favor. Generally when teams try to do it (TSL, EGMC, for example) they go out of their way to make sure they're not biasing it, and they *still* get accused of it. If MLG/KeSPA wants to run a biased tournament rigged to show off their own players, they of course have every right to do that, but you can't then act surprised when fans respond with "wtf, this is a biased piece of propaganda, not a legitimate tournament". You also can't be surprised when the people you've set up to lose decide not to participate. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:14 aristarchus wrote: Why didn't Liquid seed all their players into TSL? It was their tournament after all. The reason is that it would have been completely unfair. And you're free to host unfair tournaments, but no one would have taken TSL seriously if they had done that. It generally isn't good when teams host their own tournaments, because they tend to bias them massively in their favor. Generally when teams try to do it (TSL, EGMC, for example) they go out of their way to make sure they're not biasing it, and they *still* get accused of it. If MLG/KeSPA wants to run a biased tournament rigged to show off their own players, they of course have every right to do that, but you can't then act surprised when fans respond with "wtf, this is a biased piece of propaganda, not a legitimate tournament". You also can't be surprised when the people you've set up to lose decide not to participate. IIRC Liquid did actually seed all of their own players into TSL3 and no one cared. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:09 Salazarz wrote: On a side note, why is eSF announcing that they won't play in this literally on the day of the matches? The details of the tournament were published quite a while ago, yet they wait until it's time to play the games, then say, 'oh changed our minds lol'. After reading the article it appears that they aren't. Its all speculation. No one from eSF said anything except for some conjecture from a single member of the FXO staff, and that could have even been requested by the interviewed. Honestly, this thread says next to nothing that hasn't already been said in an MLG announcement. Seems like its just Slasher promoting an article he wrote full of speculation, while many users interpret it as an official release from ESF. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:08 mage36 wrote: I wonder why SlayerS isn't part of eSF. I would guess because BoxeR is affiliated by KeSPA via SKT1. | ||
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
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eleaf
526 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:55 jmbthirteen wrote: What? You realize that the only Korean's that have paid their way to MLG are those who have gone through the open bracket right? The majority of the Koreans that attend have been in group play, MLG covered those costs last year with their deal with GOM and they pay for everyone in group play this year. Very few ESF players have covered their own trips. FXO usually sends two, SlayerS and TSL have sent a handful as well. U do realize that if MLG paid those trips to foreigners MLG is going to be shit today right? Beside, eSF players earn these money coz they all fight through the open bracket to the pool play. MLG invitational seeding is not directly seeded into pool play. So eSF players use their money first to earn the money from MLG, what's the problem with this? MLG have an format and they have to stick to it so they have to send money to eSF players. It's not a charity it's pure business. MLG originally seed 4 Koreans in their pool play now due to their stupid format they have about 30 koreans in the pool, and now they argue they paid too much to Koreans? For god sake they only paid 4 for free others are pure result from their business model. Dont even try to argue MLG 'paid' Koreans make esport grow. They paid because Koreans are good and can earn their pool seeds through open bracket while foreigners cant keep their standings in pool play. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 27 2012 03:15 Dodgin wrote: IIRC Liquid did actually seed all of their own players into TSL3 and no one cared. They seeded the ones in Korea, and gave some semi-plausible reason (and included Idra). But it was the very early days of SC2, when big unbiased international tournaments didn't exist, so people were willing to accept almost anything. And if you think no one cared, you're having memory issues. There was definitely criticism at the time. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
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