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On September 27 2012 03:36 torm3ntin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote:
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. This is the only guy who really understood the situation properly? I was even surprised when i saw 8 Gom Players announced since it's called MLG x Kespa. Not a nice move from eSF. You can say whatever you want but MLG was nice enough to give them some spots. Next time don't fuck MLG denying the seeds u guys reserved for them and honor the agreements you have made with them so you can make another partnership with them like Kespa just did.
I would not mix GOM here as they are loosely affiliated with ESF (or they say so). But you two guys almost nailed it. The very name of this tournament suggests its format. They can do what the hell they want with it, its their business.
People can of course express their dissapointment in this and choose not to watch. It your CHOICE as it is theirs CHOICE to create any tournament of any ridiculously rigged format as they wish.
Like I said before the PPV model and rigged format are two factors which rule me out of this spectacle.
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On September 27 2012 03:36 torm3ntin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote:
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. This is the only guy who really understood the situation properly? I was even surprised when i saw 8 Gom Players announced since it's called MLG x Kespa. Not a nice move from eSF. You can say whatever you want but MLG was nice enough to give them some spots. Next time don't fuck MLG denying the seeds u guys reserved for them and honor the agreements you have made with them so you can make another partnership with them like Kespa just did.
I think most people agree that MLG can do whatever they want. But other players can decide to not accept invite if they want also. It's not like they are bound by some agreement to have to accept them. I personally have no problem with MLG vs KeSPA. I think it's a great idea. But it's giving out 8 seeds to championship, which is 1/4 of total group play spots if same set up as previous time. That's a bit much for a glorified cross server show match.
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On September 27 2012 03:36 torm3ntin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote:
I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership.
MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other.
To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'.
MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. This is the only guy who really understood the situation properly? I was even surprised when i saw 8 Gom Players announced since it's called MLG x Kespa. Not a nice move from eSF. You can say whatever you want but MLG was nice enough to give them some spots. Next time don't fuck MLG denying the seeds u guys reserved for them and honor the agreements you have made with them so you can make another partnership with them like Kespa just did.
He is not the only one but no point of arguing with these fanboys/antifans anymore.
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What I curious about is how many ESF player did they invite? Did they invite 8 ESF players, or 8 non KeSPA players (6 that's in the tournament and MKP + LosirA). OP and linked post is very ambiguous. It probably doesn't matter but interesting to know.
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On September 27 2012 03:49 ragz_gt wrote:
What I curious about is how many ESF player did they invite? Did they invite 8 ESF players, or 8 non KeSPA players (6 that's in the tournament and MKP + LosirA). OP and linked post is very ambiguous. It probably doesn't matter but interesting to know.
They invited 8 Koreans, 6 of which are in the foreign teams. Only 2 of the Koreans invited are a part of ESF.
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when is this starting tomorow?
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I keep seeing people talk about "ESF's side" as if there has been some official statement from ESF about this tournament or as if we know for sure that the two ESF players declined for the same reasons, in some form of protest. Did I miss some big source on this? All I've seen is Slasher's article that has no definitive news on that front, just speculation from a tangentially related staff member.
Honestly, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt on this, but the way the OP is worded, it seems like Slasher is intentionally trying to be misleading. I mean, take a look at this sentence:
GameSpot eSports has obtained information that says ESF teams and players have declined their invites to the MLG-KeSPA MvP Invitational.
As it turns out, I also "obtained" this information. I did so by reading these very forums, when the MLG staff posted exactly that information here. It seems odd that he'd turn around to the place he got the information from and present it this way, if his intentions were purely to inform the community.
I see people arguing about ESF vs MLG as if there is some kind of feud between the the two sides, but I honestly think the community has been fooled. It seems to me like, for all we know, MKP and Losira both had conflicts or too many other tournaments to practice for or didn't want to play cross-server or any other excuse. To assume that these invites were declined for political reasons without sufficient evidence seems naive.
I hope I'm wrong on this one, and its not so easy to hijack TL.net's opinion. Please, if I've missed a resource somewhere that contradicts what I've had to say, point it out for me; I'd feel much knowing that being a writer for a large website doesn't grant you a blank check for drama-mongering within the community.
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And take a look at this:
On September 27 2012 04:04 FXOUnstable wrote:
I am 99.9% surethat this comment was not meant as a statement because I was sitting next to fxoboss when he was talking about it and he specifically said to me "why does he keep asking me to go on the record when I don't know the whole story.
It's 3am at the moment and I txt'd boss but i will have to wait for confirmation.
Regardless, players are allowed to decline a tournament whenever they want. It is not up to anyone else other than players if they accept or not.
Players decline the FXO invitational all the time, their reasons are none of anybodies business but their own.
FXO declined an invite into the EGMC. Does this mean we hate eg and want their event to fail? No it doesn't, it means we are in GSTL and IPTL already and don't have time in our schedule for anything else.The players that would have been invited to the MvP league would already be extremely busy with GSL/GSTL/IPL etc so they have barely any time as it is.
It seems to me like Slasher's article is just an example of sensationalist/dishonest journalism in an attempt to get readers.
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On September 27 2012 03:34 Resilient wrote:
What are the alternatives now? I'm not very clued up in the KR scene so are ESF players ALL the non-kespa players? Or just a handful? Who (regional) would be the likely replacements to the 6 declines?
There is already 6 Koreans playing... Mc, alive, oz, Alicia, crank, puma...
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On September 27 2012 03:51 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 03:49 ragz_gt wrote:
What I curious about is how many ESF player did they invite? Did they invite 8 ESF players, or 8 non KeSPA players (6 that's in the tournament and MKP + LosirA). OP and linked post is very ambiguous. It probably doesn't matter but interesting to know. They invited 8 Koreans, 6 of which are in the foreign teams. Only 2 of the Koreans invited are a part of ESF.
That's also what I thought but Always Entertaining FXOBoSs (TM) was quoted It was most likely because the ESF teams only got 8 invites which left me confused.
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Wait so, MC didn't pull out of the tournament? He always sides with ESF because of his teams partnership with IM.
I have a feeling this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion...
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I very much dislike the direction MLG is going in, last thing needed is Kespa drama bullshit spreading to outside of korea.
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On September 27 2012 03:34 Resilient wrote:
What are the alternatives now? I'm not very clued up in the KR scene so are ESF players ALL the non-kespa players? Or just a handful? Who (regional) would be the likely replacements to the 6 declines?
Other than the Kespa teams every major korea based team, and FXO is ESF:
Slayers
IM
FXO
NSH
TSL
Startale
Prime
MVP
all those guys are ESF.
Edit: Which yeah, dunno why Alicia was able to accept... I almost expect some news about that.
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On September 27 2012 03:21 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 03:17 eleaf wrote:On September 27 2012 02:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 27 2012 02:50 eleaf wrote:On September 27 2012 02:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 27 2012 02:34 eleaf wrote:
Didnt care about MLG about one year ago. This tournament is full of hyper and the quality of the tournament went down and down during this year. They had the best resources while Starcraft II tournament began to blow, yet they did not use it wisely and waste it on whatever extended series, whatever horrible seeding method/tournament format, whatever PPV & whatever MvP....
Koreans (eSF players) paid a lot (either from their team or from fans/sponsors) to MLG and they make MLG more shining than other tournament, but their effort/money is easily neglected by MLG. Time to put resources more smartly. yes, ESF players have paid so much for those free trips that MLG gives them to play in there tournaments.... I knew there is going to be someone thinking like this. eSF players paid from themselves (team/ fans/sponsors) much much more to MLG than any other tournaments. If only invited paid eSF players can go, MLG is no big than IPL/DH today. Those team/fans/sponsors paid eSF players to MLG coz this is the only highly exposed foreigner tournament and they have to trust it. Now MLG turned behind their back, how would you do? Put more money into the holes? What? You realize that the only Korean's that have paid their way to MLG are those who have gone through the open bracket right? The majority of the Koreans that attend have been in group play, MLG covered those costs last year with their deal with GOM and they pay for everyone in group play this year. Very few ESF players have covered their own trips. FXO usually sends two, SlayerS and TSL have sent a handful as well. U do realize that if MLG paid those trips to foreigners MLG is going to be shit today right? Beside, eSF players earn these money coz they all fight through the open bracket to the pool play. MLG invitational seeding is not directly seeded into pool play. So eSF players use their money first to earn the money from MLG, what's the problem with this? MLG have an format and they have to stick to it so they have to send money to eSF players. It's not a charity it's pure business. MLG originally seed 4 Koreans in their pool play now due to their stupid format they have about 30 koreans in the pool, and now they argue they paid too much to Koreans? For god sake they only paid 4 for free others are pure result from their business model. Dont even try to argue MLG 'paid' Koreans make esport grow. They paid because Koreans are good and can earn their pool seeds through open bracket while foreigners cant keep their standings in pool play. What the fuck are you even saying dude? MLG has paid for the majority of trips for Koreans to attend MLG tournaments. Its a fact. It doesn't matter why. ESF players didn't just decide to go to MLG one day. MLG invited them and paid their way. And they have been doing so since.
Please stick to the truth. MLG only paid players in the pool which is their business rule. MLG didnt paid Koreans a penny except the 4 invited players for charity. For others, they have to pay according to the contract which Koreans earned it. You can say whatever MLG paid Koreans these kind of bullshit, but the truth is here nonetheless. Sry MLG fanboy, you could say MLG is the biggest charity tournament for the world if you like, but all I see MLG is a screwed up tournament crying for support from ppl.
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On September 27 2012 03:54 Dodgin wrote:
Wait so, MC didn't pull out of the tournament? He always sides with ESF because of his teams partnership with IM.
I have a feeling this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion...
Well, there's also MKP, who said in his recent winner's interview, that he was going to decline any invite to focus on GSL since he made it to the Ro8.
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On September 27 2012 03:57 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 03:34 Resilient wrote:
What are the alternatives now? I'm not very clued up in the KR scene so are ESF players ALL the non-kespa players? Or just a handful? Who (regional) would be the likely replacements to the 6 declines? Other than the Kespa teams every major korea based team, and FXO is ESF: Slayers IM FXO NSH TSL Startale Prime MVP all those guys are ESF.
Slayers is NOT ESF. They never joined because BoxeR's relationship with KeSPA.
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MLG failed hard this time. They appear to not know the meaning of the word partnership. ESF and their players were one of the responsible for the huge growth MLG had in the past 12 months. In all this time, what Kespa did for MLG? Besides the invitational, how many times Kespa have modified their schedule to permit their players play in MLG?
MLG seems to have been dazzled by the success of the KESPA invitational and forgot every single viewer that tuned their streams to see the amazing games provided by DRG, MKP, MC, Parting and other ones. They appear to have forgotten what ESF players did and sacrificed to be able to play in MLG. They appear to have forgotten that ESF players support this game for 2 years, since its launch and that Kespa players don´t, and because of that, they have a much more deep understand of the game and have accomplished much more in SC2 that all Kespa players together.
These invites were nonsense and so much disrespectful to what ESF and their players did to help MLG. MLG is acting like a fanboy who tries to impress his idol at all costs.
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On September 27 2012 03:57 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 03:57 TheDougler wrote:On September 27 2012 03:34 Resilient wrote:
What are the alternatives now? I'm not very clued up in the KR scene so are ESF players ALL the non-kespa players? Or just a handful? Who (regional) would be the likely replacements to the 6 declines? Other than the Kespa teams every major korea based team, and FXO is ESF: Slayers IM FXO NSH TSL Startale Prime MVP all those guys are ESF. Slayers is NOT ESF. They never joined because BoxeR's relationship with KeSPA.
Ooooh! Good to know, thank you.
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