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On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I think the SC2 community has gotten to a very ugly place if we're scoffing at $10 to watch the biggest Kespa and foreign names duke it out in over 100 games in 1080p. I mean fuck I'm happy paying twice that to watch mid-tier foreigners beat the crap out of each other in NASL, how on earth is THIS not worth the money? In what universe? This is the SC2 equivalent of Wrestlemania, only 3 weeks in length rather than 3 hours. Come on.
To be honest, the foreigners at NASL are quite a bit better than the foreigners at this MLG event. And they have the better GSL Koreans, too.
But the KeSPA players should pull some viewers for sure, yeah.
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On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better.
Miles behind in what way exactly? Production, yeah DreamHack is better. I don't think its fair to compare production of Asus to an MLG championship as they are two different scales. If we compare to the Arena's i'd say they are pretty damn equal.
But what about in supporting players? How many players does DH or Asus fly to their events? None. How much money does Asus and DH give out? Not near as much as MLG. How many players actually win money at DH and Asus? Not as many as MLG. How many players can compete in DH and Asus? Not even close to MLG.
Yes, MLG is money oriented, they have to be, they are a business. Complaining about a $10 PPV is ridiculous. Its fucking $10. I hope you don't go to the movies or eat out ever.
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On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I think the SC2 community has gotten to a very ugly place if we're scoffing at $10 to watch the biggest Kespa and foreign names duke it out in over 100 games in 1080p. I mean fuck I'm happy paying twice that to watch mid-tier foreigners beat the crap out of each other in NASL, how on earth is THIS not worth the money? In what universe? This is the SC2 equivalent of Wrestlemania, only 3 weeks in length rather than 3 hours. Come on.
That's the entire problem in my eyes.
It's an artificially arranged tournament meant to attract both foreign audiences and Korean audiences that were devoted to BW, yet KeSPA has done nothing on its end to create an audience outside of Korea. From the description the MvP Invitational doesn't know where it wants to be a glorified showmatch (way too large and complicated) or a legitimate qualifier to the Fall Championship (which requires...actual qualifiers instead of dubiously pandering to two separate audiences). And of course it unintentionally thumbs its nose at those going through the KR/TW Qualifiers (why are Action and Crazy-Hydra valued over sC and Sniper, especially when they have less results?).
So you have a fancy new tournament that has no clear identity, no natural storylines that developed from the community perspective, a large player base that is based more on imagined prestige than actual results, and 3/4ths of the KeSPA players are complete unknowns to the foreign community. No wonder people are hesitant to commit their money.
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Wish i could go 
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Bought pass, will probably buy another one for my friend as a gift. Thanks mlg!
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On September 26 2012 11:21 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote:On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. Miles behind in what way exactly? Production, yeah DreamHack is better. I don't think its fair to compare production of Asus to an MLG championship as they are two different scales. If we compare to the Arena's i'd say they are pretty damn equal. But what about in supporting players? How many players does DH or Asus fly to their events? None. How much money does Asus and DH give out? Not near as much as MLG. How many players actually win money at DH and Asus? Not as many as MLG. How many players can compete in DH and Asus? Not even close to MLG. Yes, MLG is money oriented, they have to be, they are a business. Complaining about a $10 PPV is ridiculous. Its fucking $10. I hope you don't go to the movies or eat out ever.
How can you even compare to Arena to a live audience, the arena's were catastrophicly bad they had no atmosphere at all the finals were like "So I guess I won and thats it" and Arena's were the reason they stopped the PPV model because the viewers dropped after the 2nd or 3rd
Prize Pool I think you'll find MLG events were notorious for giving out the lowest amount so let's not go there, put it this way ForGG at Valencia got 40,000 SEK for just runners-up which is about $9k which is almost double the first place used to get at an MLG, nowadays it's alot more.
The PPV is not Wrestlemania, MLG Providence was Wrestlemania it's more like of those meaningless ones which runs upto Wrestlemania - Survivor Series? it's an online tournament, it'll have zero atmosphere and not even a even-level playing field due to server-swapping, you can play from Western Europe to NA on a even field assuming your router isn't a Cereal box but any further distance you're going to get latency whether you like it or not.
Yeah I can't pay a stupid $10 because I look after a younger relative, I can't even play subscription based games to make ends meet and now ironically I'm being asked to pay to view a standard game, it wouldn't half surprise me if half the people saying its alright didn't actually pay out their own pockets and sponge off someone else.
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On September 26 2012 08:07 Hrrrrm wrote:
PPV for cross server qualifier replay content. Wonderful. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Not "premium" content sorry.
Couldn't agree more. Seriously MLG.. either provide us with PREMIUM content, or don't try to pick every last penny from our pockets. Disgraceful.
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On September 26 2012 11:52 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 11:21 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote:On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. Miles behind in what way exactly? Production, yeah DreamHack is better. I don't think its fair to compare production of Asus to an MLG championship as they are two different scales. If we compare to the Arena's i'd say they are pretty damn equal. But what about in supporting players? How many players does DH or Asus fly to their events? None. How much money does Asus and DH give out? Not near as much as MLG. How many players actually win money at DH and Asus? Not as many as MLG. How many players can compete in DH and Asus? Not even close to MLG. Yes, MLG is money oriented, they have to be, they are a business. Complaining about a $10 PPV is ridiculous. Its fucking $10. I hope you don't go to the movies or eat out ever. How can you even compare to Arena to a live audience, the arena's were catastrophicly bad they had no atmosphere at all the finals were like "So I guess I won and thats it" and Arena's were the reason they stopped the PPV model because the viewers dropped after the 2nd or 3rd Prize Pool I think you'll find MLG events were notorious for giving out the lowest amount so let's not go there, put it this way ForGG at Valencia got 40,000 SEK for just runners-up which is about $9k which is almost double the first place used to get at an MLG, nowadays it's alot more. The PPV is not Wrestlemania, MLG Providence was Wrestlemania it's more like of those meaningless ones which runs upto Wrestlemania - Survivor Series? it's an online tournament, it'll have zero atmosphere and not even a even-level playing field due to server-swapping, you can play from Western Europe to NA on a even field assuming your router isn't a Cereal box but any further distance you're going to get latency whether you like it or not. Yeah I can't pay a stupid $10 because I look after a younger relative, I can't even play subscription based games to make ends meet and now ironically I'm being asked to pay to view a standard game, it wouldn't half surprise me if half the people saying its alright didn't actually pay out their own pockets and sponge off someone else.
So atmosphere is production now? The Arena's had GREAT production. Fantastic 1080p quality, true first person POV, picture in picture, instant replay, it was great. And Asus ROG didn't really have much of a crowd either btw. It was just some people standing behind the players watching.
And now you are bringing up old fucking numbers? MLG was only second to GSL in prize money last year. And its going to be that way this year too. Like I said, MLG pays out more money and pays more players.
Sucks that you can't afford the $10, but guess what? There is a TON of other free sc2 content out there by MLG and every other organization to keep you occupied.
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On September 26 2012 12:00 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:07 Hrrrrm wrote:
PPV for cross server qualifier replay content. Wonderful. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Not "premium" content sorry. Couldn't agree more. Seriously MLG.. either provide us with PREMIUM content, or don't try to pick every last penny from our pockets. Disgraceful.
If $10 is every last penny in your pocket, perhaps you shouldn't be spending this time watching sc2.
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lol I bet the MLG guys get a good laugh from the exaggerations and vitriol that pop up in these threads. As they should. If you don't want to pay then maybe...go watch the other 24/7 SC2 content and stop posting here? You wouldn't watch this if it were free anyway, assuming your complaints about cross-server lag and replays are genuine. MLG is "disgraceful" and "trying to pick money from our pockets" because they're charging $10 for this? Lol you sound a little too worked up about this bud. Just don't watch it and move on. It's simply unintelligent for you to draw conclusions about MLG's moral character or intentions based on their decision to charge you $10 for this.
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Sundance on Reddit:
It's a pay to watch event due to licensing restrictions around Korean SC2 content.
Is $10 too much for 5+ weeks? Maybe for some and to those folks who feel that way I'd say that I'm sure there will be stream leaks and I'm sure people will share those leaks. That's what happens on the internet.
At some point I hope to change the model on these inter-league events but I have to start somewhere.
(I can also guarantee that none if the $ from this event will go towards a new Porsche.)
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10h52p/mlg_mvp_invitational_is_pay_per_view/c6dhvr7
He hasn't elaborated on whatever those licensing restrictions are supposed to be.
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On September 26 2012 12:00 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:07 Hrrrrm wrote:
PPV for cross server qualifier replay content. Wonderful. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Not "premium" content sorry. Couldn't agree more. Seriously MLG.. either provide us with PREMIUM content, or don't try to pick every last penny from our pockets. Disgraceful.
Yeah fuck these guys how dare they demand the price of a small pizza for an enormous amount of content.
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On September 26 2012 12:10 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 11:52 Mackus wrote:On September 26 2012 11:21 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote:On September 26 2012 10:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On September 26 2012 10:28 Mackus wrote:
Like they aren't making any money from entry fees for the Online qualifiers, right? You honestly think they're making anything close to a profit from that? Seriously? Come on, get real. I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. Miles behind in what way exactly? Production, yeah DreamHack is better. I don't think its fair to compare production of Asus to an MLG championship as they are two different scales. If we compare to the Arena's i'd say they are pretty damn equal. But what about in supporting players? How many players does DH or Asus fly to their events? None. How much money does Asus and DH give out? Not near as much as MLG. How many players actually win money at DH and Asus? Not as many as MLG. How many players can compete in DH and Asus? Not even close to MLG. Yes, MLG is money oriented, they have to be, they are a business. Complaining about a $10 PPV is ridiculous. Its fucking $10. I hope you don't go to the movies or eat out ever. How can you even compare to Arena to a live audience, the arena's were catastrophicly bad they had no atmosphere at all the finals were like "So I guess I won and thats it" and Arena's were the reason they stopped the PPV model because the viewers dropped after the 2nd or 3rd Prize Pool I think you'll find MLG events were notorious for giving out the lowest amount so let's not go there, put it this way ForGG at Valencia got 40,000 SEK for just runners-up which is about $9k which is almost double the first place used to get at an MLG, nowadays it's alot more. The PPV is not Wrestlemania, MLG Providence was Wrestlemania it's more like of those meaningless ones which runs upto Wrestlemania - Survivor Series? it's an online tournament, it'll have zero atmosphere and not even a even-level playing field due to server-swapping, you can play from Western Europe to NA on a even field assuming your router isn't a Cereal box but any further distance you're going to get latency whether you like it or not. Yeah I can't pay a stupid $10 because I look after a younger relative, I can't even play subscription based games to make ends meet and now ironically I'm being asked to pay to view a standard game, it wouldn't half surprise me if half the people saying its alright didn't actually pay out their own pockets and sponge off someone else. So atmosphere is production now? The Arena's had GREAT production. Fantastic 1080p quality, true first person POV, picture in picture, instant replay, it was great. And Asus ROG didn't really have much of a crowd either btw. It was just some people standing behind the players watching. And now you are bringing up old fucking numbers? MLG was only second to GSL in prize money last year. And its going to be that way this year too. Like I said, MLG pays out more money and pays more players. Sucks that you can't afford the $10, but guess what? There is a TON of other free sc2 content out there by MLG and every other organization to keep you occupied.
I don't need 1080p to enjoy watching SC2 I can watch it on any stream which doesnt have bad bitrate as on GSL Freeview stream and even then I can see what's going on, I clearly have telescopic eyes.
Anyhow it's come to my understanding from Sundance posting on Reddit that the PPV is down to Kespa wanting their share of the load which I find true so fuck Kespa.
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Sounds like a great deal. I'll pick up a ticket.
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Erm, best Moba? By the high level moba community on both sides thats Dota 2.
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I'm not buying the PPV. It's a terrible idea. I'd understand it if MLG was trying only to sustain itself, but it should be trying to grow and this is a terrible way to go about it.
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I'll stick to the free to watch, free vod, constantly rebroadcasted IPL, thanks. If I'm going to pay for something, its gotta be better than whats already free. So like GSL for example. Clearly the best. Deserves the money.
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So is MLG basically copying NASL and broadcasting every single day?
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Well, I was excited for the Kespa vs MLG thing. Not excited enough to pay for it though.
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On September 26 2012 12:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
So is MLG basically copying NASL and broadcasting every single day?
no free stream... but yes
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