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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 25 2012 04:00 GMT
#881
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.


Not unexpected but pretty good eye opener. If this is all true DA should not be forgiven so easily...
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
September 25 2012 04:00 GMT
#882
On September 25 2012 12:59 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

So, it begins.
Both people are accusing the other now. I can no longer trust either.

The post by Veralynn seems more reasonable and is probably more correct.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
multiversed
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:05:01
September 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#883
i can name a few other people who had good intentions... even if the outcome leaves people happy and better off than they were, the idea that you are selling this bullshit as an attempt at helping others... it speaks for itself. just go seek out some help for your narcissism. but no one ever cared about you anyways. so no harm, no foul... btw. i think you might have a personality disorder.
Team Liquid is the used the tampon of the starcraft community.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#884
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.


well, frankly, i feel like Deathangel went a little overboard and maybe pressured you into letting him do some of the things he did. I can understand why you deleted all of your VoD's and content, so that the situation would not blow wayyy out of proportion. It was responsible for you to return all the prizes you received, and it was respectful to apologize to the organizations you represented. However, you should be ashamed in taking the selfish way out and getting help from someone else (i.e. letting DA use your account) to reach GM, something many players strive to do. I respect your withdrawl from the community, and even though most people on this forum are probably gunna torch and pitchfork you even after this, this was mature of you to come out and apologize instead of completely avoiding the situation like Deathangel has.
Good luck in the real world, and remember, hard work pays off.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:01:40
September 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#885
On September 25 2012 12:19 ROOTFayth wrote:
look corpuscle we know how you feel about MtFs but drop it


never

On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught


can't stop laffin

seriously all you should say is "I'm sorry, I gave the money back to the people I scammed"

nothing more nothing less
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:02:04
September 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#886
deathangel is out i knew he benefit
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
September 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#887
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

Wow.. Wow..

Thank you for responding and admitting your wrongs. I hope that what you've said about refunding everyone is actually true.

I hope everything else is actually true as well..

This puts a lot of questions back on death angel.. who has been telling a very different story.



P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25970 Posts
September 25 2012 04:02 GMT
#888
On September 25 2012 13:00 goswser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:59 Brutaxilos wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

So, it begins.
Both people are accusing the other now. I can no longer trust either.

The post by Veralynn seems more reasonable and is probably more correct.

Possible for sure, on the other hand you see a native English speaker who has shown an ability to bareface lie on community podcasts and the like talking about the issue, vs a non-native speaker. Of course she's going to appear more convincing
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
September 25 2012 04:02 GMT
#889
On September 25 2012 12:33 Klipsys wrote:
I actually would like to see DA play straight up now. This could be the best thing for his career honestly if he can keep his nose clean, he has a lot of attention now.


Seems almost unfair that doing something morally wrong can bring about just enough attention to you where it can become beneficial (obv as long as it's not so bad where you cannot be forgiven or given a second chance - a la sex tape).
Livin' this life like it was written.
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
September 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#890
Looks like... angels are dead... AWWWW YEAHHH~
Barackopala
BounceDJC
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom72 Posts
September 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#891
I guess paying the money back now stops criminal proceedings from the tournaments etc
A loser isn't someone who falls down, a loser is someone who doesn't get back up
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
September 25 2012 04:04 GMT
#892
On September 25 2012 13:01 thurst0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

Wow.. Wow..

Thank you for responding and admitting your wrongs. I hope that what you've said about refunding everyone is actually true.

I hope everything else is actually true as well..

This puts a lot of questions back on death angel.. who has been telling a very different story.





Until her statements about refunds are confirmed by the other parties, there is no reason to believe her. Her bridges are already burnt, and she's cutting ties with this community. A con artist like this wouldn't mind saving some cash on the way out (even though this con was about more than cash).

I can understand DeathAngel's motivations here, and I get why he did what he did. There's a difference between that and condoning it though. It's an ugly world.


When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 25 2012 04:04 GMT
#893
Well, this shit cray for sure.

The question I still have is did she really refund the tournament money and coaching money? If she did then at least that's good, but there is a lot of unaccounted for money here that seems really fishy.
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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:05:46
September 25 2012 04:04 GMT
#894
This is getting ridiculous. Their statements mean nothing at this point. To lie as much as both of them clearly have, neither of them can be trusted again. The way these posts read, they aren't sorry for what they did, they're sorry for being caught and are throwing contradictory hail marys to try and remain in the scene. It's shameful.

Veralynn and DeathAngel have lied nonstop now for months, don't believe a word they say.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
September 25 2012 04:04 GMT
#895
I think deathangel should be penalized in some way as well since he was an accomplice.
TL+ Member
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 25 2012 04:05 GMT
#896
On September 25 2012 13:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:00 goswser wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:59 Brutaxilos wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

So, it begins.
Both people are accusing the other now. I can no longer trust either.

The post by Veralynn seems more reasonable and is probably more correct.

Possible for sure, on the other hand you see a native English speaker who has shown an ability to bareface lie on community podcasts and the like talking about the issue, vs a non-native speaker. Of course she's going to appear more convincing


Any grammatical issues aside, DA's story is full of holes and misinformation... TBH at this point neither of them should be fully trusted..
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
September 25 2012 04:06 GMT
#897
So according to Vera, DeathAngel was paid the money for winning a female only tournament... Oh boy.
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Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 04:06 GMT
#898
What she did was terrible, and DeathAngel is a mercenary (as probably other sc2 players) that knew what he was doing was wrong.

But giving back the money don't excuse of all what she did. Imo she's just a sick person (in a pathological way), and it's good we are not going to have her around.
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2630 Posts
September 25 2012 04:06 GMT
#899
On September 25 2012 13:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:00 goswser wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:59 Brutaxilos wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

So, it begins.
Both people are accusing the other now. I can no longer trust either.

The post by Veralynn seems more reasonable and is probably more correct.

Possible for sure, on the other hand you see a native English speaker who has shown an ability to bareface lie on community podcasts and the like talking about the issue, vs a non-native speaker. Of course she's going to appear more convincing

I also agree to this possibility. DeathAngel clearly has some issues with English and may have not been able to communicate too well. But I still don't see how he could just mistranslate a whole part about not taking money. I also don't believe VeraLynn could make up such a false lie.

Honestly, I don't trust either anymore. As I said, both are blaming the other for the crime. They're both equally guilty. If there was another poll, I would change my mind about DeathAngel.
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
September 25 2012 04:07 GMT
#900
Here's my two cents.

VeraLynn asked for coaching from DeathAngel and during the exchange, someone suggested that DeathAngel smurf on VeraLynn's account. I really have no way of knowing who started it, so I won't bother on speculation in this regard. Basically, what happened was VeraLynn was paying DeathAngel to smurf on her account, and DeathAngel got a lot more show match and tourney invites, and got to collect the winnings. DeathAngel gets to make quite a bit more money, and VeraLynn pays a fairly modest price for relative fame within a particular community.
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