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ECHOZs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States499 Posts
September 25 2012 03:40 GMT
#841
On September 25 2012 12:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out.



I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.

Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?


I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head.

He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today.

How do you define 'working your ass off' anyway? Deathangel has been to Korea and been one match away from Code A, not once but twice. He's not got a terrible record in other tournaments either, last Dreamhack winter I was behind him when he knocked out my beloved Grubby in the first group stage.

If 'working your ass off' means networking, yeah perhaps he does have to work on that.

I'm talking in terms of networking and getting his name out there. It's obvious he worked hard in Korea but he wouldn't be much benefit to anyone hosting a showmatch because he's relatively unknown to the majority of the community.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
September 25 2012 03:40 GMT
#842
On September 25 2012 12:01 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think.


my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes ..
it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case


I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time.



I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..

it did benefit you, who are you kidding here


To be fair whatever benefit he received from smurfing for Vera he's getting exactly the opposite in negative press here. I think he just ends up right back at the drawing board so to speak.
Herp Derp
MMDollar
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria39 Posts
September 25 2012 03:40 GMT
#843
On September 25 2012 12:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:25 MMDollar wrote:
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel

1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server

2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.

3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..

but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or

something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..

I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .

What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would

come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no

interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb

hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause

I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am

pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.

Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you

take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that

the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the

money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.

I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in

scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can

play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my

own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't

benefit me in any way .

I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were

good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''

, you guys actually lost to me .

Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.

I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime

PS . Never trust women , they are evil.



Your post is full of excuses and you continue to lie to the community we both know it is against Blizzard rules to share an account. Sorry but I call your post pure bs, you wrote here just because this situation will explode in your face.


The problem here isn't a violation of Blizzard rules. I honestly don't care whether or not they violated Blizzard rules. This is like the least relevant point ever. The betrayal of trust and the taking advantage of the community is the real issue...


Agree this situation is beyond disgusting! VeraLynn you should be ashamed of yourself!
no money no pain no game
DeathAngel[ro]
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania79 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:42:27
September 25 2012 03:41 GMT
#844
I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint

but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it

my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle

I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D

but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly

a very funny zerg player
NoMoreHero
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
September 25 2012 03:42 GMT
#845
On September 25 2012 05:18 KiWiKaKi wrote:
popcorn time


Sounds about right.
H2O fighting!
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
September 25 2012 03:43 GMT
#846
On September 25 2012 05:45 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 05:43 Rezudox wrote:
https://twitter.com/VeraLynnSC2

Twitter deleted. Bye VeraLynn.


Man, how weak. She could have at least made some bullshit lie that she is a FtM transgender and DeathAngel is her male self.

She gave up too easy. Shame on you, VeraLynn. DeathAngel's punishment should be that he has to keep the ID DeathAngel for the rest of his life.

I'm going to call him DeathAngle every chance I get. That'll learn 'em!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
September 25 2012 03:43 GMT
#847
you must be mistaking me for someone else deathangel rofl, I always paid off any bet I lost
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 25 2012 03:43 GMT
#848
On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out.



I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.

Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?


I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head.

He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today.


He comes off to me like he's pointing out the irony that at his level no one really cares to see him play high level show matches -- yet you put a vagina into the mix and suddenly everyone is interested. I think you're extruding a lot of assumptions out of bias.
partouf
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Netherlands405 Posts
September 25 2012 03:44 GMT
#849
On September 25 2012 12:35 EtherealDeath wrote:
So now that we've seen that Vera never got any money from the showmatches


I can only say something about the showmatches I have sponsored. The other showmatches were sponsored by SixPoolGaming, and 1 by MilleniumTV.

And then there were the AGL August and the Millenium Girls Tournament.
[update twitchuser set banned=1 where lastmessage like '%nohomo%';] - twitter.com/@partouf
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25970 Posts
September 25 2012 03:44 GMT
#850
On September 25 2012 12:40 ECHOZs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out.



I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.

Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?


I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head.

He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today.

How do you define 'working your ass off' anyway? Deathangel has been to Korea and been one match away from Code A, not once but twice. He's not got a terrible record in other tournaments either, last Dreamhack winter I was behind him when he knocked out my beloved Grubby in the first group stage.

If 'working your ass off' means networking, yeah perhaps he does have to work on that.

I'm talking in terms of networking and getting his name out there. It's obvious he worked hard in Korea but he wouldn't be much benefit to anyone hosting a showmatch because he's relatively unknown to the majority of the community.
Yeah for sure I mean I'm not neglecting that aspect of Western E-sports. Although at a time when the Korean scene is supposedly dying for a want of money, and the rest are falling further behind in pure playing ability there needs to be some sort of re-evaluation of this aspect of the E-sports scene.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
September 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#851
On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I would mostly believe her.. rlly



are you fucken serious?
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
September 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#852
deathangel>? what the hell..
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
BounceDJC
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom72 Posts
September 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#853
To sort of support what DeathAngel said, in that video I linked she said that she wanted to coach for free. I'll be interested to hear if anyone did pay. He does seem to think there was no money exchanged for the coaching. If she refused the showmatch money... did she make money? Or perhaps, did she many any significant money?

- not that I think that's the only relevant point, of course.
A loser isn't someone who falls down, a loser is someone who doesn't get back up
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
September 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#854
On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly

lol. you believe the girl that is misleading everyone? jajajaja
MMDollar
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria39 Posts
September 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#855
On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint

but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it

my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle

I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D

but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly



And we still prefer to believe...not you, how do you expect us to believe in any of this ? and the whole "She wanted GM lifestyle" yea sure....and for one second you did not think that she can abuse the GM status? I mean c'mon only 200 people PER SERVER get this rank.
no money no pain no game
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
September 25 2012 03:46 GMT
#856
On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint

but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it

my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle

I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D

but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly



I really do hope you disappear from the scene completely. You're no better than she is and deserve whatever comes to you
Learn to count with CatsPajamas!
Starshaped
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden575 Posts
September 25 2012 03:46 GMT
#857
I suspect the setup was that Deathangel got to keep any money he won in the showmatches, and Veralynn got all the publicity. But this is just speculation.
My Starcraft 2, gaming and e-sports-related blog: http://starshapedthoughts.blogspot.com/
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
September 25 2012 03:47 GMT
#858
DA, you're just shooting yourself in the foot her man by trying to play the victim.
CLG/Liquid ~~ youtube.com/reddedgaming
MMDollar
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:49:43
September 25 2012 03:48 GMT
#859
On September 25 2012 12:46 Starshaped wrote:
I suspect the setup was that Deathangel got to keep any money he won in the showmatches, and Veralynn got all the publicity. But this is just speculation.

More or less I suspect the same. I am really disappointed, so many times I watched your stream so many hours and for what to screw with the community like that?
no money no pain no game
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 03:48 GMT
#860
did someone has brought the case with Major doing the almost the same some years ago? playing on a girl's account on a only girl tournament? (if I remember well, but I can be wrong)
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