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On September 25 2012 12:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out. I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you. Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right? I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head. He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today. How do you define 'working your ass off' anyway? Deathangel has been to Korea and been one match away from Code A, not once but twice. He's not got a terrible record in other tournaments either, last Dreamhack winter I was behind him when he knocked out my beloved Grubby in the first group stage. If 'working your ass off' means networking, yeah perhaps he does have to work on that.
I'm talking in terms of networking and getting his name out there. It's obvious he worked hard in Korea but he wouldn't be much benefit to anyone hosting a showmatch because he's relatively unknown to the majority of the community.
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On September 25 2012 12:01 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way.. it did benefit you, who are you kidding here
To be fair whatever benefit he received from smurfing for Vera he's getting exactly the opposite in negative press here. I think he just ends up right back at the drawing board so to speak.
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On September 25 2012 12:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:25 MMDollar wrote:On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel
1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server
2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.
3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..
but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or
something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..
I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .
What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would
come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no
interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb
hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause
I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am
pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.
Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you
take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that
the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the
money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.
I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in
scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can
play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my
own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't
benefit me in any way .
I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were
good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''
, you guys actually lost to me .
Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.
I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime
PS . Never trust women , they are evil.
Your post is full of excuses and you continue to lie to the community we both know it is against Blizzard rules to share an account. Sorry but I call your post pure bs, you wrote here just because this situation will explode in your face. The problem here isn't a violation of Blizzard rules. I honestly don't care whether or not they violated Blizzard rules. This is like the least relevant point ever. The betrayal of trust and the taking advantage of the community is the real issue...
Agree this situation is beyond disgusting! VeraLynn you should be ashamed of yourself!
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I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint
but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it
my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle
I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D
but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly
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On September 25 2012 05:18 KiWiKaKi wrote:
popcorn time
Sounds about right.
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On September 25 2012 05:45 Fionn wrote:Man, how weak. She could have at least made some bullshit lie that she is a FtM transgender and DeathAngel is her male self. She gave up too easy. Shame on you, VeraLynn. DeathAngel's punishment should be that he has to keep the ID DeathAngel for the rest of his life.
I'm going to call him DeathAngle every chance I get. That'll learn 'em!
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you must be mistaking me for someone else deathangel rofl, I always paid off any bet I lost
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On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out. I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you. Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right? I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head. He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today.
He comes off to me like he's pointing out the irony that at his level no one really cares to see him play high level show matches -- yet you put a vagina into the mix and suddenly everyone is interested. I think you're extruding a lot of assumptions out of bias.
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On September 25 2012 12:35 EtherealDeath wrote:
So now that we've seen that Vera never got any money from the showmatches
I can only say something about the showmatches I have sponsored. The other showmatches were sponsored by SixPoolGaming, and 1 by MilleniumTV.
And then there were the AGL August and the Millenium Girls Tournament.
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On September 25 2012 12:40 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 25 2012 12:25 ECHOZs wrote:On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out. I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you. Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right? I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head. He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today. How do you define 'working your ass off' anyway? Deathangel has been to Korea and been one match away from Code A, not once but twice. He's not got a terrible record in other tournaments either, last Dreamhack winter I was behind him when he knocked out my beloved Grubby in the first group stage. If 'working your ass off' means networking, yeah perhaps he does have to work on that. I'm talking in terms of networking and getting his name out there. It's obvious he worked hard in Korea but he wouldn't be much benefit to anyone hosting a showmatch because he's relatively unknown to the majority of the community. Yeah for sure I mean I'm not neglecting that aspect of Western E-sports. Although at a time when the Korean scene is supposedly dying for a want of money, and the rest are falling further behind in pure playing ability there needs to be some sort of re-evaluation of this aspect of the E-sports scene.
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On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I would mostly believe her.. rlly
are you fucken serious?
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deathangel>? what the hell..
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To sort of support what DeathAngel said, in that video I linked she said that she wanted to coach for free. I'll be interested to hear if anyone did pay. He does seem to think there was no money exchanged for the coaching. If she refused the showmatch money... did she make money? Or perhaps, did she many any significant money?
- not that I think that's the only relevant point, of course.
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On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly
lol. you believe the girl that is misleading everyone? jajajaja
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On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint
but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it
my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle
I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D
but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly
And we still prefer to believe...not you, how do you expect us to believe in any of this ? and the whole "She wanted GM lifestyle" yea sure....and for one second you did not think that she can abuse the GM status? I mean c'mon only 200 people PER SERVER get this rank.
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On September 25 2012 12:41 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
I am not entirely clueless and innocent , I already told you guys this
I am not an Angel , I am a DeathAngel.. I am a bad guy.. that's why I did this , I am not perfect.. I will never be.. I will be like this all my life I guess , I don't like being a saint
but I never thought ppl would came to book coaching from veralynn.. I thought vera likes to brag with her gm account and feels good like a gosu girl acting in balla style and being happy .. I was always skeptic about paid coaching.. seemed to me like ppl wanted only freecoaching and because veralynn was missing some aspects in the coaching.. they would just keep theyr mouths shut to be nice guys.. and continue.. but never pay for any coaching..
didn't even seemed to me like vera was interested in money.. but mostly in having a good time.. as the guy above posted.. she didn't even took the money that I won in the showmatches.. she refused it
my opinion.. she wanted to feel the GM balla lifestyle
I am an evil person , but I didn't wanted to make ppl donate millions of dollars to veralynn.. I would rather ask ppl to take coaching from me and make money myself :D
but I asked vera and she told me that ppl didn't took many paid coaching lessons from her as ppl say here .. so I really don't know who is right here.. I would mostly believe her.. rlly
I really do hope you disappear from the scene completely. You're no better than she is and deserve whatever comes to you
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I suspect the setup was that Deathangel got to keep any money he won in the showmatches, and Veralynn got all the publicity. But this is just speculation.
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DA, you're just shooting yourself in the foot her man by trying to play the victim.
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On September 25 2012 12:46 Starshaped wrote:
I suspect the setup was that Deathangel got to keep any money he won in the showmatches, and Veralynn got all the publicity. But this is just speculation.
More or less I suspect the same. I am really disappointed, so many times I watched your stream so many hours and for what to screw with the community like that?
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did someone has brought the case with Major doing the almost the same some years ago? playing on a girl's account on a only girl tournament? (if I remember well, but I can be wrong)
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