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TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
September 25 2012 03:12 GMT
#801
As stupid as DA was for accepting to level her account and even playing showmatches for her, I think he deserves another chance. People make mistakes and it seems like he is sorry and obviously wont do it again. That being said he will definitely have to do a lot for the community to make up for this to gain people's respect.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Keylime
Profile Joined July 2011
United States33 Posts
September 25 2012 03:12 GMT
#802
On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out.



I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.

Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?


Whoosh
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DeathAngel[ro]
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania79 Posts
September 25 2012 03:13 GMT
#803
On September 25 2012 12:01 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think.


my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes ..
it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case


I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time.



I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..

it did benefit you, who are you kidding here


after refusing to pay your lost sc1 betgames , you shouldn't try to imagine everyone acts like you
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ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
September 25 2012 03:13 GMT
#804
On September 25 2012 11:13 GT350 wrote:
Poll: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed?

Yes (263)
 
89%

No (32)
 
11%

295 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

Yes (335)
 
79%

No (88)
 
21%

423 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life?

No (278)
 
65%

Yes (152)
 
35%

430 total votes

Your vote: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





VeraLynn is the one who should be punished for her actions, she asked someone else to play for her in order to boost her own image. DeathAngel surely did wrong by accepting do to do, but atleast I can't deny that he's got talent at sc2, and that he plays legit.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
September 25 2012 03:14 GMT
#805
i disagree with th whole " he just wanted a chance to play in showmatches" its not like he gains anything fame wise cause no one knows its him playing, so he was obviously in it for the long con to make money
Rival
Profile Joined November 2010
United States33 Posts
September 25 2012 03:15 GMT
#806
At least Death Angel admitted he did it. VeraLynn deleted everything from her Youtube, deleted her twitch account and twitter, and basically ran from the situation.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
September 25 2012 03:17 GMT
#807
On September 25 2012 12:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is not only abysmal because it's fraud, but it's just plain disappointing because of the role model that VeraLynn pretended to be for other female gamers. To know that VeraLynn would specifically market herself as one of the best female players, when such a niche needs to be filled (there's almost no one significant except for Scarlett), makes it twice as bad in my book. It's incredibly, incredibly sad.


to be fair, Scarlett fills the shit out of that niche by being pretty well-accepted as one of the best players in NA... if you're inspired by "some random girl is GM on EU yay!" but not by "a girl won WCS NA in utterly dominating fashion!" that's kind of your problem
From the void I am born into wave and particle
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
September 25 2012 03:19 GMT
#808
look corpuscle we know how you feel about MtFs but drop it
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
September 25 2012 03:19 GMT
#809
On September 25 2012 12:15 Rival wrote:
At least Death Angel admitted he did it. VeraLynn deleted everything from her Youtube, deleted her twitch account and twitter, and basically ran from the situation.


Those who are scared as little children will act so.

I would be willing to forgive her if she just came out and admitted her fault. But because she acted like a child, I have no issues with never letting this off of her record.

To be an adult, you must act as an adult and take responsibility for your actions, especially when said actions are not positive/in your favor.
CLG/Liquid ~~ youtube.com/reddedgaming
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
September 25 2012 03:19 GMT
#810
lol. i like deathangel after this. "i wont get into showmatches because i dont possess a vagina." awesome!
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
September 25 2012 03:20 GMT
#811
This is incredibly sad, I dont think DeathAngel should be punished though. What he did was wrong, but its nothing compared to VL.
Ladder more, win less
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
September 25 2012 03:20 GMT
#812
On September 25 2012 12:19 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:15 Rival wrote:
At least Death Angel admitted he did it. VeraLynn deleted everything from her Youtube, deleted her twitch account and twitter, and basically ran from the situation.


Those who are scared as little children will act so.

I would be willing to forgive her if she just came out and admitted her fault. But because she acted like a child, I have no issues with never letting this off of her record.

To be an adult, you must act as an adult and take responsibility for your actions, especially when said actions are not positive/in your favor.


I would not be willing to to forgive her for her treachery if she came out and admitted her fault. It'd certainly reflect less poorly on her, but to be a deceiver for so long she has to understand that most people and I have nothing to say to that.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Starshaped
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden575 Posts
September 25 2012 03:21 GMT
#813
On September 25 2012 12:15 Rival wrote:
At least Death Angel admitted he did it. VeraLynn deleted everything from her Youtube, deleted her twitch account and twitter, and basically ran from the situation.


To be fair Veralynn has literally no chance of ever recovering from this, so I can see why she'd just leave everything instantly. Deathangel is still a decent player and has invested a lot into this game so he probably wants to have some sort of future in it.
My Starcraft 2, gaming and e-sports-related blog: http://starshapedthoughts.blogspot.com/
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44999 Posts
September 25 2012 03:21 GMT
#814
On September 25 2012 12:17 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is not only abysmal because it's fraud, but it's just plain disappointing because of the role model that VeraLynn pretended to be for other female gamers. To know that VeraLynn would specifically market herself as one of the best female players, when such a niche needs to be filled (there's almost no one significant except for Scarlett), makes it twice as bad in my book. It's incredibly, incredibly sad.


to be fair, Scarlett fills the shit out of that niche by being pretty well-accepted as one of the best players in NA... if you're inspired by "some random girl is GM on EU yay!" but not by "a girl won WCS NA in utterly dominating fashion!" that's kind of your problem


Oh I absolutely agree that Scarlett is by far the quintessential role model for female SC2 progamers; I was thinking more along the lines of hoping that really good female gamers would become more common and normalized as well though. Not just one girl that's freakishly good (i.e. a pure outlier), and so it would be realistic for more females to play more because they see a bunch of high level(-ish) girls.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25976 Posts
September 25 2012 03:23 GMT
#815
On September 25 2012 12:19 dAPhREAk wrote:
lol. i like deathangel after this. "i wont get into showmatches because i dont possess a vagina." awesome!

Blunt but, somewhat true.

He's not a Code S baller, but he's not a bad player and it's pretty hard to break out from that kind of level without either being a Stephano level player, or having some other kind of gimmick going on.

While I don't condone the guy's action, it's what happens when you elevate any girl who plays this game to positions far beyond what their play justifies. Of course Deathangel and his ilk might be tempted to take advantage of that.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
September 25 2012 03:23 GMT
#816
On September 25 2012 12:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:19 Holytornados wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:15 Rival wrote:
At least Death Angel admitted he did it. VeraLynn deleted everything from her Youtube, deleted her twitch account and twitter, and basically ran from the situation.


Those who are scared as little children will act so.

I would be willing to forgive her if she just came out and admitted her fault. But because she acted like a child, I have no issues with never letting this off of her record.

To be an adult, you must act as an adult and take responsibility for your actions, especially when said actions are not positive/in your favor.


I would not be willing to to forgive her for her treachery if she came out and admitted her fault. It'd certainly reflect less poorly on her, but to be a deceiver for so long she has to understand that most people and I have nothing to say to that.


Maybe forgive wasn't the right word. I think I really meant that I would be MORE willing to try and forgive her-- like let her have the opportunity to build up a new reputation from scratch if she could keep her record clean.
CLG/Liquid ~~ youtube.com/reddedgaming
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
September 25 2012 03:24 GMT
#817
On September 25 2012 09:40 iHirO wrote:
[image loading]


I died.

Kawaii and desRow throwin bombs, yo. It's a shame people try to take shortcuts in achieving success, whether in esports or otherwise. Shits on all the hardwork other people are doing. Glad they didn't get away with it.
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
ECHOZs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States499 Posts
September 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#818
On September 25 2012 12:08 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out.



I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.

Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?


I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head.

He comes off to me like he's entitled to be in showmatches for whatever reason. Most players get in showmatches because they work their ass off and make a name for themselves. Some get there because of their gender its how it works because its what brings in viewers. Look at what he said in his post "and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited..". Here's a question why should he get invited? Most people probably didn't even know who he was until today.
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
September 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#819
On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think.


my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes ..
it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case


I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time.



I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..

DeathAngel - Please answer some questions. You are acting very ignorant. And making your roll seem very innocent and small.

You act as though all you did was play on ladder with what was in your eyes a "smurft account".

Did you play as veralynn in show-matches and tournaments? Did you think you were representing yourself?

Your story seems all too convenient. Playing ladder is one thing, playing in show-matches and online tournaments is a completely different thing. You claim to be able to win these in your own name, so why didn't you? You claim to have no incentive from any of this other than practicing. Didn't you think it was weird that you were practicing during show-matches and tournaments for another person? Why wouldn't you want your own name showing in results? None of this makes sense to me.

Do you even admit that what you did was wrong. Don't give me crap about intentions. You knew what you were doing and you did it more than once. Intentions are out the window. You intended to trick the community. If you could be so kind as to reply to all of my questions, I will be very satisfied regardless of your answers.
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
MMDollar
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria39 Posts
September 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#820
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel

1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server

2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.

3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..

but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or

something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..

I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .

What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would

come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no

interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb

hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause

I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am

pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.

Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you

take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that

the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the

money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.

I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in

scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can

play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my

own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't

benefit me in any way .

I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were

good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''

, you guys actually lost to me .

Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.

I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime

PS . Never trust women , they are evil.



Your post is full of excuses and you continue to lie to the community we both know it is against Blizzard rules to share an account. Sorry but I call your post pure bs, you wrote here just because this situation will explode in your face.
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