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Props to KawaiiRice, Gretorp, and desRow for not only doing a lot of work to verify what they said, but also for holding out and contacting SPG and Zeek. It would be so easy to just lob out a half-assed accusation, but to wait and give parties an opportunity to respond before things like this blow up is admirable. This isn't just a drama thread - it is approached in an appropriate manner. Stock inr KawaiiRice just went up in my book.
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On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time.
I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..
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On September 25 2012 11:39 GT350 wrote:Poll: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed?Yes (263) 89% No (32) 11% 295 total votes Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?Yes (335) 79% No (88) 21% 423 total votes Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life?No (278) 65% Yes (152) 35% 430 total votes Your vote: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life? (Vote): Yes
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Banning her from Esports is a bit extreme, but TL I can see as a deserved ban, since we have control over this community.
DeathAngel deserves no Ban IMO.
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Shouldn't TL demand a reply from VeraLynn. TL has the moral authority being the main site for Esports, and this incident is something that definitely deserves to be resolved soon, with people getting scammed of their money and betrayed.
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poor deathangel. whiteknight example of the gods.
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On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..
If this is true, why stream for her? What benefit did that give you? Did she just ask you to?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to condemn you or anything.
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On September 25 2012 11:55 ROOTFayth wrote:
why do people care about the showmatches, he did win the games fair and square
if anything the ladies only tourneys are a lot more wrong, unless he wore a wig that is
First off, I somehow doubt DA was getting all the showmatch money, second, it's still not "fair and square." If there was an iNcontroL vs. Illusion showmatch and iNcontroL has MC play for him, it's still not fair for MC to take the money even if iNcontroL lets him take it all just so he can brag that he's beaten Illusion. It's not an open tournament where there's money up for grabs and whoever is the best gets the money, it's a showmatch where it's supposed to be two specific invited people playing.
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On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way..
it did benefit you, who are you kidding here
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On September 25 2012 11:52 hunts wrote:
I'm kinda iffy about this. I can see deathangel playing on the account for money and not knowing about the coaching and other ways she used the GM status to get money. But at the same time, he did play show matches as her, and that's just dirty and he had to have known something was up there. I feel deathangel probably does deserve some punishment for playing showmates as veralyn, but I don't think he deserves much punishment, but that's just me.
He's just doing damage control right now and trying to salvage his name under pseudo honesty and feigned ignorance. There are a lot of strange holes in this story but they'll never be filled without Vera's telling.
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On September 25 2012 12:01 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way.. If this is true, why stream for her? What benefit did that give you? Did she just ask you to? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to condemn you or anything.
If I had to guess DeathAngel probably got some kind of royalty on all the money Veralynn made.
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On September 25 2012 12:02 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:01 Holytornados wrote:On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way.. If this is true, why stream for her? What benefit did that give you? Did she just ask you to? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to condemn you or anything. If I had to guess DeathAngel probably got some kind of royalty on all the money Veralynn made.
This is what I think too, but I want to hear the response from him since he is here answering the thread atm.
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On September 25 2012 12:02 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 12:01 Holytornados wrote:On September 25 2012 11:58 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:54 onPHYRE wrote:On September 25 2012 11:46 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:42 bsdaemon wrote:
I don't think we need to ask for any more punishment for those two. DA offered an explanation and VeraLynn pretty much deleted her stuff. In the end, they are the ones who lost. A lot. They won't be able to move around the eSports community without raising eyebrows. People will be watching them closely. It will be difficult for them to start anything without someone asking about this controversy. Every time they pop-up, they will be forced to answer or explain this controversy. That's punishment enough I think. my friend.. a lot of top pros play on some regular ppl accounts.. for money or just for smurfing purposes .. it's just that you don't know .. I already explained this case I think the difference is most don't stream pretending to be that person, and also don't play in show matches pretending to be that person. That is where the difference is. It is one thing to make money from power leveling someone to GM, and a whole different matter to promote some else's brand (in this case a female) in order to generate stream revenue for that person and in turn to help set up show matches for that person through that stream, and then play in those show matches for even more money. I am not saying you should be banned, etc. And I am sure eventually your reputation will be restored, but for the time being, giving the full story would help a lot more than playing mostly ignorant. It will def take time. I am sorry , but I don't like drama , the story for me it's not important .. and I also don't know what you mean about ,, story'' .. I just found out that the fact that I used to play on that account created pain for some people , I will never do something like this again since it didn't benefited me in any way .. I was stupid , I would better try to play on my own and get a good reputation for my name.. eventho.. I don't have a vagina.. but atleast I should try to succed at image even in this way.. If this is true, why stream for her? What benefit did that give you? Did she just ask you to? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to condemn you or anything. If I had to guess DeathAngel probably got some kind of royalty on all the money Veralynn made.
Yeah, DA is essentially a no-name who would get next to zero viewers. The idea of someone being female gives them a given amount of views. A girl as skilled as DA is more eventful and interesting than DA or the girl on their own. Combine their powers and suddenly you've got a not-shitty situation.
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On September 25 2012 12:00 GT350 wrote:
Shouldn't TL demand a reply from VeraLynn. TL has the moral authority being the main site for Esports, and this incident is something that definitely deserves to be resolved soon, with people getting scammed of their money and betrayed.
What do you mean...? She basically dissapeared and deleted anything related to her and SC2. I think KR's investigation was thorough enough, coupled with DA coming forward (to some extent) that we can assume she is guilty. If she really wants to defend her innocence I'm sure no one would object to her telling her side, but at this point it doesn't look like we will ever hear that. I guess if someone lives in Ireland they could confront her.... but realistically all we can do is take measures to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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On September 25 2012 11:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 10:58 tianGO wrote:
Haha, so the moral of the story is "Never thrust women , they are evil" ?
Do not trust. Thrust is okay.
i lol'd. win post.
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Good job detective Kawaii!
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On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out. I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you.
Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?
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On September 25 2012 12:07 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 11:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:On September 25 2012 11:07 goswser wrote:
I vote we ban deathangel from all showmatches from here on out. I would never got into any showmatch anyway because I don't posses a vagina , but thank you for comming with this smart idea sir , 100 hats down to you. Yeah because Sjow, DesRow and ToD all have vaginas right?
I think the point is behind you -- splattered on the wall. It'd appear it went over your head.
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This is not only abysmal because it's fraud, but it's just plain disappointing because of the role model that VeraLynn pretended to be for other female gamers. To know that VeraLynn would specifically market herself as one of the best female players, when such a niche needs to be filled (there's almost no one significant except for Scarlett), makes it twice as bad in my book. It's incredibly, incredibly sad.
Well done by KawaiiRice, Gretorp, and desRow though. These things need to be brought to the community's attention. As far as DeathAngel[ro] goes... I don't know what to think of him. What he's said so far in this thread hasn't really garnered that much sympathy from me, and he was an accomplice to fraud... but he didn't hack or cheat on his own, so I don't really know where to place him on the spectrum of scumbaggery.
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