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VeraLynn; GM fraud - Page 38
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
We should hold a TL trial, mods get at it and hire lawyers. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:19 Northern_iight wrote: She obviously paid for the power leveling services... Vera isn't THAT attractive to do for free* I mean yea, that is what I believe as well. However he never came out and said it. If he wanted to be completely transparent (which I think is the best way to go here) he would have mentioned it. But it does sound bad to mention getting money given what has happened. I just wanted him to come out and admit it if it did happen. I am not trying to say "lets ban him," in all honesty i am playing devils advocate to an extent.. but hey just trying to figure out exactly what went down because it has a large effect on just how "bad" this is for DeathAngel (we already know Vera is done and should be given the mountain of evidence and her clear run and hide approach to the situation). | ||
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Rubber
United States150 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:26 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: you read me wrong sir , I don't want your money.. I didn't scammed you for anything , I played on some other account without realising that it can get to this point , and I feel sorry for guys like you but I would never ask someone to do coaching with me pretending that I am GSL champion.. that would be a scam . feeling bad for everyone.. really.. I don't meant to hurt anyone.. and I did it indirectly it seems , my intentions were not like that. Did she pay you to play her account? Or did you do it for free? | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:26 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: you read me wrong sir , I don't want your money.. I didn't scammed you for anything , I played on some other account without realising that it can get to this point , and I feel sorry for guys like you but I would never ask someone to do coaching with me pretending that I am GSL champion.. that would be a scam . feeling bad for everyone.. really.. I don't meant to hurt anyone.. and I did it indirectly it seems , my intentions were not like that. I'm not accusing you of wanting my money or attempting to personally scam me. I'm suggesting you are diverting blame to the community, which you are doing even more so by claiming you "feel sorry guys like (me)" as opposed to actually apologizing. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:26 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: you read me wrong sir , I don't want your money.. I didn't scammed you for anything , I played on some other account without realising that it can get to this point , and I feel sorry for guys like you but I would never ask someone to do coaching with me pretending that I am GSL champion.. that would be a scam . feeling bad for everyone.. really.. I don't meant to hurt anyone.. and I did it indirectly it seems , my intentions were not like that. Not believing a word you've been saying. | ||
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SixPoolGaming
United States4 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:16 Enzymatic wrote: Reps from SixPoolGaming have already come forward and said that people that paid for coaching from Veralynn messaged them complaining asking for a refund after they saw this entire scam going on. Just to clarify, we never offered her coaching services and know nothing about how that was run. We offer training videos from multiple gamers for a monthly fee. Kawaii talks about the same thing here: On September 25 2012 09:31 KawaiiRice wrote: Someone mentioned they bought one of her 12 lesson packages for $100, but I don't know the rates. At SixPoolGaming we don't offer coaching services; we offer training videos, tutorials and the like for a low monthly subscription fee (and you get access to every coach's videos for this fee). The only thing SPG contributed for her coaching credibility was their name, which I doubt affected the decisions of her students (I could be wrong?). Even if someone subscribed to SPG for Vera's videos specifically I am sure the rest of the content on the site is adequate for them. Vera did however advertise her coaching through a listing on z33k.com. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:17 Northern_iight wrote: nah. I think deathangel should be forgiven. He is one of the few people when busted, came out and gave an apology. To note, many pros secretly level other accounts for money. All this smurfing and power leveling people do is for money. What deathangel did is no different than what other pros do everyday. Only difference is that he got caught. Hopefuly his apology was sincere and he will stop those activities. I don't remember him in any past wrong doings, so he deserves a second chance. Mostly because he has admitted to it and said he will won't continue those acts. He was offered a chance to do something he was never able to do before in his life - play in show matches against big-name pros. His decision to play was understandable, but not right. He definitely deserves a second chance as he is willing to admit to the mistake and come out and apologize. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:28 Rubber wrote: Did she pay you to play her account? Or did you do it for free? Gotta be kidding yourself if you actually think this guy would come clean and implicate himself with $$$. Won't happen, regardless if he's guilty of it. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: Hello everyone This is DeathAngel 1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you being fateofseven on EU server 2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc. 3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me.. but the effects were very bad it seems I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just refuse it.. I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch .. I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch . What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn. I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this. Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this. I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't benefit me in any way . I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life.. I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl'' , you guys actually lost to me . Also very sorry for my english. It's 5am and I am tired. I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime PS . Never trust women , they are evil. Thanks for posting! While all of it was very wrong in my eyes (and I don't buy the "my intentions were good" or not realising the crime until afterwards bs), the one single thing that got me most upset was probably playing in the female only tournament and winning easily. + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2012 06:20 Rif_king wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/z33ktv/b/326546942 I feel bad for LoveGeek, there was an lesser known girls-only SC2 tournament that was never listed. "Veralynn" all-killed and never dropped a single game in this tournament, and I feel really bad for all the players who could have had a chance. Compare to the Romanian national championships, and imagine a code-A Korean smurfing on some no-name Romanians account winning everything. Maybe you can offer free coaching to the female players in the tournament to make up a bit?  | ||
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DeathAngel[ro]
Romania79 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:26 jax1492 wrote: kinda funny, i actually agree with death angel on how no one wanted him for show matches ... but omg! a girl everyone was so excited, ya what he did was wrong, she is 100x more at fault than he is but... dude has a point. I knew she did coaching.. saw it on her stream.. was curious to see.. but saw all the time free coaching.. I actually never saw any paid coaching.. and I looked on that stream a lot of the times. Is there any solid evidence of ppl paying for many hours of coaching ? and I guess some ppl were still happy with the coaching because they were coached by a girl.. wich also sounds weird to me.. but I forced nobody to get coaching from her . I guess if I would know someone would pay for coaching.. I would offer my services .. I think I can be a good coach .. | ||
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Koriel
United States19 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:17 Northern_iight wrote: nah. I think deathangel should be forgiven. He is one of the few people when busted, came out and gave an apology. To note, many pros secretly level other accounts for money. All this smurfing and power leveling people do is for money. What deathangel did is no different than what other pros do everyday. Only difference is that he got caught. Hopefuly his apology was sincere and he will stop those activities. I don't remember him in any past wrong doings, so he deserves a second chance. Mostly because he has admitted to it and said he will won't continue those acts. Perhaps he does deserve to be forgiven, and perhaps he should be given a second chance. However, we don't have to forgive him immediately. At least with what has been presented so far it seems to me that he has caused some issues he should have been aware of. There is a place in between total ban and complete forgiveness and that doesn't seem too unreasonable. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:31 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: I knew she did coaching.. saw it on her stream.. was curious to see.. but saw all the time free coaching.. I actually never saw any paid coaching.. and I looked on that stream a lot of the times. Is there any solid evidence of ppl paying for many hours of coaching ? and I guess some ppl were still happy with the coaching because they were coached by a girl.. wich also sounds weird to me.. but I forced nobody to get coaching from her . I guess if I would know someone would pay for coaching.. I would offer my services .. I think I can be a good coach .. Still getting this overwhelming feeling that you're not giving out the entire story regarding this.. | ||
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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GT350
United States270 Posts
Poll: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed? Yes (263) No (32) 295 total votes Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in TL as though she never existed? Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life? Yes (335) No (88) 423 total votes Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life? Poll: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life? No (278) Yes (152) 430 total votes Your vote: Ban DeathAngel[ro] in Esports for life? | ||
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Kumihothesilent
Canada113 Posts
On September 25 2012 11:31 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: I knew she did coaching.. saw it on her stream.. was curious to see.. but saw all the time free coaching.. I actually never saw any paid coaching.. and I looked on that stream a lot of the times. Is there any solid evidence of ppl paying for many hours of coaching ? and I guess some ppl were still happy with the coaching because they were coached by a girl.. wich also sounds weird to me.. but I forced nobody to get coaching from her . I guess if I would know someone would pay for coaching.. I would offer my services .. I think I can be a good coach .. Before the channel got deleted i can confirm there was instances that she did in fact say she offered paid coaching | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2622 Posts
But for the sake of fairness, I have a solution to this. Because of what you and Veralynn did (I won't accuse you on what your intentions are, but you still did contribute), many people have lost their money on false coaching etc. I propose that you offer free lessons to anybody for the next few months to pay back to the community. Do this until your reputation has been restored. And I do believe that if you do this, it will. | ||
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: Hello everyone This is DeathAngel 1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you being fateofseven on EU server 2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc. 3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me.. but the effects were very bad it seems I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just refuse it.. I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch .. I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch . What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn. I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this. Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this. I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't benefit me in any way . I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life.. I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl'' , you guys actually lost to me . Also very sorry for my english. It's 5am and I am tired. I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime PS . Never trust women , they are evil. Nice to hear him admit his mistake and apologize. Some may accept or not but one quick thing to note is: Why would you stream on her twitch account when on her account if you used it as a smurf? Did she ask you to do it or what? | ||
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eanxiii
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
That said, give the guy another chance. It's hell out there for the average foreigner pro and I can't say I fully understand his situation. Others have been caught doing worse and have been forgiven. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
It's not just that he smurfed under her name, but he streamed games pretending to be veralynn to promote her brand. The whole thing is just dirty. | ||
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