Yes but that's like saying a player like Symbol isn't a top tier player because he hasn't won GSL when IM is hogging all the titles.

There is definitely top tier competition there, and it even outdoes a lot of the stuff in the Korean TLPD. Aren't weeklys in the K-TLPD? Saying that there's no top tier competition internationally because the marquee competition took place in Korea is simply incorrect.

Reborn8u

United States1761 Posts

September 16 2012 20:20 GMT

#84

I think if we had win/loss stats of just the top 32 from international + korea, we'd get a more relevant picture of things.

keglu

Poland485 Posts

September 16 2012 22:01 GMT

#85

We'll probably see actual august results next month since we have singificantly smaller sample at this this time. For Korean graph its like 4-5 time less games than in last two months.

hunts

United States2113 Posts

September 17 2012 01:52 GMT

#86

On September 17 2012 02:45 Gladiator333 wrote:

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Can you explain why a small sample size is more relevant than a bigger one? I'm confused.

You didn't even read the post you quoted did you? Korean sample is much more meaningful despite the size difference because of the huge skill difference. In the international scene there are tons of games in IPL, MLG, NASL, etc.. that have pros vs semi pros, pros vs ametures, koreans vs foreign ametures/semi pros, makes for skewed data because while some of the same top players from the korean scene might be in international, the bottom skill level in it is significantly lower.

The international statistics include games of very varied skill levels, therefore skewing the results. Wheras in korea most of the games are played by players of similar standing thanks to GSL doing a fairly good job of sorting players based on performance. Obviously your response was a troll and most likely flame baiting and not a serious question, but there you go.

aksfjh

United States4853 Posts

September 17 2012 09:34 GMT

#87

On September 17 2012 03:53 ohampatu wrote:
I really wish TL would put in a rule to stop posting these.

They dont represent balance in any way, shape, or form.
You either have a large sample size that has a huge range of skill forms, or a small sample size of the tip top.

Neither help in determining balance. Id rather see only KR statistics in 3-6 month intervals, and even then, it still wouldn't represent balance that much.

The idea is to take the stats as a part of the larger picture. Roll these results in with ladder representation, qualifier results, individual games, and top 4 results from major tournaments and you have a good idea which race is worth betting on.

On September 17 2012 04:27 []Phase[] wrote:

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46% is pretty balanced man...

The variations we are seeing atm, both in and outside of korea, are partially due to metagame anyways, like with many of the past statistics. But there are always a bunch of dramaqueens who misread the stats in these kinds of threads.

Its pretty balanced people, just a few minor tweaks can be made here and there, but not much.

Of course it's metagame. Even unbalanced streaks show up as metagame. The question is if the metagame will correct itself.

Fragile51

Netherlands15767 Posts

September 17 2012 09:57 GMT

#88

On September 17 2012 18:34 aksfjh wrote:

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Of course it's metagame. Even unbalanced streaks show up as metagame. The question is if the metagame will correct itself.

The only way to find out if the metagame will correct itself is by giving it a lot of time, not yelling at blizzard to "fix this and that" like many people seem to be doing. I'd say right now the game itself needs to be left alone and the balancing must happen with a bunch of new tournament maps, not by balancing stats and spells and whatnot. We have hots beta for that.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

September 17 2012 11:22 GMT

#89

i like the korean graph it shows which race is on the role with a new strat, atleast if i am not on top of whats going on in korea. And its really funny to see that balance changes only throw up some players and affect winrates that way, while the true changes in Winrates come with new playstyles (often triggered by balance changes though)

Evangelist

1246 Posts

September 17 2012 11:29 GMT

#90

Well I'll be damned. Looks like Blizzard were on the money with letting the metagame evolve in ZvT. Hah.

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