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Shiori
3815 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:18 X3GoldDot wrote: when u add in wcs korea expect it to have like fifty games with protoss winning 35 or something Which would still be a minuscule sample. You do realize how tiny that is, right? Winning one game is 2% in a 50 game sample... | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:24 CajunMan wrote: I wonder how many of those PvZs are immortal sentry allins so ez. P players wouldn't 2 base all in with Immortal/Sentry if they weren't forced to do so. | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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HaiFiSCH26
Bulgaria91 Posts
I've watche Life's games and his micro was really bad and made other significant mistakes and im wondering if the korean zergs were relying only on their pure multytasking and macro thus far,but now they need to step it up because we can see that with good micro and flangs you can go head to head with terran and protoss efficianci. So i think balance has nothing to do with those winrates its all about training and skill level its just that korean zergs have some flaws in their styles and gameplay and korean protosses are better than EU/NA and KOrean terran should be the 4rth race because they are playing so much better than the rest of the world! sry for my english | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:44 HaiFiSCH26 wrote: well,korean zergs are lacking progress in the past months so its normal,i think now there are many EU zergs who are better than most of the Koreans and only DRG seems to keeps his game up. I know there are many strong EU zergs (can think of 5-6 sick good ones), but do people really believe that EU zergs are better than Korean zergs?...Just wondering. But yeah low number of games...still interesting I guess | ||
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covetousrat
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sitromit
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sitromit
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PlacidPanda
United States246 Posts
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:24 Shiori wrote: Which would still be a minuscule sample. You do realize how tiny that is, right? Winning one game is 2% in a 50 game sample... While that is true it is also the top of the world so i rather take a low sampling rate from there then a massive one from people that are not the top since that portrays balance even worse. | ||
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SickeL
110 Posts
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smileface
76 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:03 Shiori wrote: Aren't you saying the same thing about the international statistics? A whopping 28 PvZs says tonnes. This sample size is ridiculously small. No, it is not... With a size of 30 you already reached the sweet spot, where the results are fairly representative. Thus 28 is absolutely OK to do a monthly statistic on. And inb4 source/link/you liar/selfmade statistic on the spot bla bla: HERE Edit: I also just checked the data and 28 is just the PvZ losses... add the 42 wins in PvZ and you got a whopping 70 sample size. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:24 CajunMan wrote: I wonder how many of those PvZs are immortal sentry allins so ez. Well if maybe more ppl went mutas or so | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On September 16 2012 02:21 smileface wrote: No, it is not... With a size of 30 you already reached the sweet spot, where the results are fairly representative. Thus 28 is absolutely OK to do a monthly statistic on. And inb4 source/link/you liar/selfmade statistic on the spot bla bla: HERE Edit: I also just checked the data and 28 is just the PvZ losses... add the 42 wins in PvZ and you got a whopping 70 sample size. Just so you know, with a sample size of ~30, a perfectly balanced game will see statistics ~67% of the time to be anywhere from 33% to 66% win rate. So as long as the win rate is between those two values, you can't distinguish it from a perfectly balanced game. The other ~33% is going to be even larger than that! That is why everyone says the sample size of 30 is way too small. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:44 HaiFiSCH26 wrote: well,korean zergs are lacking progress in the past months so its normal,i think now there are many EU zergs who are better than most of the Koreans and only DRG seems to keeps his game up.But im certain that they will catch up in 1 ot 2 months. I've watche Life's games and his micro was really bad and made other significant mistakes and im wondering if the korean zergs were relying only on their pure multytasking and macro thus far,but now they need to step it up because we can see that with good micro and flangs you can go head to head with terran and protoss efficianci. So i think balance has nothing to do with those winrates its all about training and skill level its just that korean zergs have some flaws in their styles and gameplay and korean protosses are better than EU/NA and KOrean terran should be the 4rth race because they are playing so much better than the rest of the world! sry for my english No. EU Zergs haven't seen the true taste of 2 base Korean toss timings barring Stephano and Nerchio. Korean toss attack timing>>>>>>>>>>EU Toss attack timing. Korean toss timings whether it is 2 base or 3 base are very sharp and precise. Top Korean zergs are still generally better than their EU counterpart. They are Code S for a reason. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 16 2012 00:30 superstartran wrote: P players wouldn't 2 base all in with Immortal/Sentry if they weren't forced to do so. Of course they would. If a build provides good winrates, it's going to get used a lot, no matter if it is an allin or not. I guess we have to be waiting until the full winrates are up, to see how the stats really are. | ||
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