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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 Zane wrote: +food problems +they don't have a housecleaning service How did anyone sign this lol? Whole drama aside, this deal is just laughable. They had a house cleaning service, We had a maid at the house 6 days a week for roughly 10 hours a day. The house was extremely clean at all times. Where did you even hear that? | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:23 LgNkarmy wrote: Okay guys stop talking about the streaming, It has nothing to do with anything. MoW promoted us as players a lot, They aloud us to run commercials with twitch, which many of us couldn't do before. So I went from making nothing, To making something and getting a small cut taken. Trust me the cut was small. So why does it matter? And when you're making money, Streaming 8 hours a day is NOTHING. We weren't suppose to stream the first 5 hours of the day because it was ment for custom practice and to improve. It was hard not to, I wanted to stream more, I wanted to run commericials, I wanted to double the streaming requirement. It wasn't hard to do it. You're blowing it way out of the water without even thinking behind it. TLDR. Went from not making money from streaming, To making money from streaming with a small cut. Not a big deal, Almost expected. Karmy, if streaming 8 hours a day is nothing then we would see tons of pros (especially Destiny and other players that make most money off streaming) streaming 8 hours a day. How come the #1 streaming in terms of hours couldn't reach 150? How come Destiny, one of the most notorious players for basically only streaming didn't reach 8 hours a day easy? How come players like DeMusliM, IdrA, and basically every Korean pro dislike streaming and say that it makes their play worse in the long run? It's not as simple as just dismissing it and if you're going into a house and paying to train there, you might as well make the full cut of your stream and only stream if you want to. If you want to just spend the time and practice privately, that should be your choice. If you want to try and make money there, go ahead. | ||
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scares
Germany239 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:23 LgNkarmy wrote: Okay guys stop talking about the streaming, It has nothing to do with anything. MoW promoted us as players a lot, They aloud us to run commercials with twitch, which many of us couldn't do before. So I went from making nothing, To making something and getting a small cut taken. Trust me the cut was small. So why does it matter? And when you're making money, Streaming 8 hours a day is NOTHING. We weren't suppose to stream the first 5 hours of the day because it was ment for custom practice and to improve. It was hard not to, I wanted to stream more, I wanted to run commericials, I wanted to double the streaming requirement. It wasn't hard to do it. You're blowing it way out of the water without even thinking behind it. TLDR. Went from not making money from streaming, To making money from streaming with a small cut. Not a big deal, Almost expected. With all due respect as an "unknown" player you are right its really nice. But lets say Ret has to do the streaming time, how can that be practice when loads of lesser players want to play him, therefore snipe him, or he cant practice new builds during that time because he wants to save them for a specific tournament? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: They had a house cleaning service, We had a maid at the house 6 days a week for roughly 10 hours a day. The house was extremely clean at all times. Where did you even hear that? Well, they are claiming that Fuzer didn't clean his room (hi mom), so that doesn't sound like they had cleaning service. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: They had a house cleaning service, We had a maid at the house 6 days a week for roughly 10 hours a day. The house was extremely clean at all times. Where did you even hear that? The MoW poster said "Fuzer didn't clean his room". | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:23 LgNkarmy wrote: Okay guys stop talking about the streaming, It has nothing to do with anything. MoW promoted us as players a lot, They aloud us to run commercials with twitch, which many of us couldn't do before. So I went from making nothing, To making something and getting a small cut taken. Trust me the cut was small. So why does it matter? And when you're making money, Streaming 8 hours a day is NOTHING. We weren't suppose to stream the first 5 hours of the day because it was ment for custom practice and to improve. It was hard not to, I wanted to stream more, I wanted to run commericials, I wanted to double the streaming requirement. It wasn't hard to do it. You're blowing it way out of the water without even thinking behind it. TLDR. Went from not making money from streaming, To making money from streaming with a small cut. Not a big deal, Almost expected. Maybe you don't know how to practice then.. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: They had a house cleaning service, We had a maid at the house 6 days a week for roughly 10 hours a day. The house was extremely clean at all times. Where did you even hear that? The MinistryOfWin guy stated Fuzer didn't want to clean his room so I assumed they didn't have a housecleaning service. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:26 scares wrote: With all due respect as an "unknown" player you are right its really nice. But lets say Ret has to do the streaming time, how can that be practice when loads of lesser players want to play him, therefore snipe him, or he cant practice new builds during that time because he wants to save them for a specific tournament? He probably had the contract beforehand and therefore probably agreed to any agreement regarding streaming and whatever elese. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
You pay for a service and living space 600€ a month and you are obligated to stream for a vast amount of time where you can not be training effectivley, I mean how do you actually get better and how does coaching work in MOW. And in addition you have to sign a horrible contract. For me it sounds like you are paying them so that they allow you to work and then take away some of the stream revenue ? If the house is really the house depicted on the homepage the situation is bad, I mean how many players are living there at once ? 8-10 ? and mybe the trainers the cook and other staff ? IDK but it sounds very cramped and lousy to me. If I would pay for something I deamnd quality and I would demand that it is on my terms and not that I have to pay just to do their bidding ... | ||
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dragonblade369
Canada464 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: You are blaming MoW for it. Why would Fuzer give them the money without a contract signed? It's the same difference, You're not even thinking from both sides.. O.o It doesn't work like that in business. It's like.. you know when u buy a house. You put down a payment where you "secure" the house. Then after when you get the contract you (or your lawyer) noticed that the house isn't even his. At that time, the other party can keep that money? Of course not lol. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: You are blaming MoW for it. Why would Fuzer give them the money without a contract signed? It's the same difference, You're not even thinking from both sides.. I've heard, multiple times, that the contracts are not being mentioned until players are already in the house. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: They had a house cleaning service, We had a maid at the house 6 days a week for roughly 10 hours a day. The house was extremely clean at all times. Where did you even hear that? What kind of house cleaning service is this lol? 6 days a week for 10 hours a day? What could they possibly spend so long of a time cleaning? | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:24 LgNkarmy wrote: As I have said, Mistakes were made. Fuzer shouldn't have even though about moving without a contract first while paying so much a month, At the same time MoW already stated they will never allow a player to move in without the contract signed. Why can't we just agree that mistakes were made but it's nothing to blow up about... Well that's a dismissive attitude, and with this story being less than a day old, it seems too soon to try to bury it and "put these things behind us and get on with our lives."  (Pretend like they didn't happen as well).Fear not, unless other players chime in, I see no long term damage to MoW. Fuzer aired his grievances and I think that's fine. MoW has responded, so whatever will be, will be. The future's not ours to see. ... | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:26 Monochromatic wrote: To all this defending Fuzer about not signing the contract: It was MoW making a bad decision since they assumed that he would sign the contract. He paid for another month, they were just waiting for him. MoW wanted to defend their ideas, so they wanted to make sure the lawer was Legit, fuzer failed to provide that infomation. Did you read the OP? They didnt give him time to receive the lawyers info. They gave him a deadline the same day that they asked for it. | ||
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scares
Germany239 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:25 LgNkarmy wrote: You are blaming MoW for it. Why would Fuzer give them the money without a contract signed? It's the same difference, You're not even thinking from both sides.. I think the main reason is, that we all know Fuzer as a young, kinda "unprofessional" player (stalker surround against MC anyone? ) and MoW always state how proffessional they are, at least thats what i will put as main reason for this | ||
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btx0
Germany184 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:17 pallad wrote: 10 year non compete ? you dont even read this OP good. You can compete where you wanna. You just cant make your own gaming house and take ideas from MoW house , this is in document. ? That's what non compete means. Sure he can compete in a tournament if you think I misunderstood. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:27 Zane wrote: The MinistryOfWin guy stated Fuzer didn't want to clean his room so I assumed they didn't have a housecleaning service. There were a few things we were suppose to clean. Our rooms were suppose to stay tidy and we were suppose to make our beds. | ||
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866 Posts
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