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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:55 Djagulingu wrote: If it's an ESF team though, that would mean no monetary income besides tournament prize money, that would be a no for him too I guess. never mind im bad at reading | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:55 Djagulingu wrote: If it's an ESF team though, that would mean no monetary income besides tournament prize money, that would be a no for him too I guess. a.k.a., "a farce." | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:56 sinigang wrote: Roro should bargain hard. RorO's salary is very likely to get doubled. He has been very successful in SC2, which PL is completely switching into. There are at most 2-3 other players that are in his caliber (Sun, Flying and maybe herO[jOin]?) That's it though. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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Xiahou
Singapore80 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:01 aristarchus wrote: As someone who's new to following this, I'm amazed by how badly this is structured for the players. They can't negotiate with both their team and other teams at the same time? Imagine you're the player - you have no idea what other teams would offer you, so you have to just take a wild guess when deciding on whether to re-sign with your old team at first. Then you go talk to other teams. If it turns out your team had the best offer, you're sort of stuck - you can't take it while you still have the other offers on the table. If you wait and let that period end, you lose all bargaining power. During phase 3 your old team can offer you next to nothing and you still have to take it. You have no bargaining power at all. So realistically you have to take the best thing you get offered during phase 2. Yes to everything you said. History has seen more than 1 player totally screwed over by free agency. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18733 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:01 aristarchus wrote: As someone who's new to following this, I'm amazed by how badly this is structured for the players. They can't negotiate with both their team and other teams at the same time? Imagine you're the player - you have no idea what other teams would offer you, so you have to just take a wild guess when deciding on whether to re-sign with your old team at first. Then you go talk to other teams. If it turns out your team had the best offer, you're sort of stuck - you can't take it while you still have the other offers on the table. If you wait and let that period end, you lose all bargaining power. During phase 3 your old team can offer you next to nothing and you still have to take it. You have no bargaining power at all. So realistically you have to take the best thing you get offered during phase 2. But that doesn't happen. Teams offer the same deal in phase 3 they had proposed in phase 1. They would take too much PR damage if they didn't. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:19 sharkie wrote: But that doesn't happen. Teams offer the same deal in phase 3 they had proposed in phase 1. They would take too much PR damage if they didn't. If that was reliably true, then what you should see is no one ever taking a contract in phase 1 - if the offer will still be there later, there is no downside to seeing what other teams offer. Now, I'm new to it and maybe that's what occurs... but if it ever does, it means that the player themself at least isn't convinced the offer will still be there later. | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:01 aristarchus wrote: As someone who's new to following this, I'm amazed by how badly this is structured for the players. They can't negotiate with both their team and other teams at the same time? Imagine you're the player - you have no idea what other teams would offer you, so you have to just take a wild guess when deciding on whether to re-sign with your old team at first. Then you go talk to other teams. If it turns out your team had the best offer, you're sort of stuck - you can't take it while you still have the other offers on the table. If you wait and let that period end, you lose all bargaining power. During phase 3 your old team can offer you next to nothing and you still have to take it. You have no bargaining power at all. So realistically you have to take the best thing you get offered during phase 2. In theory what you say is true and players have potential to be screwed over and over. But players generally get what they deserves (aka results). If you have a monster Proleague round, you can bet on getting a huge raise. The only problem I have with it is that contracts are yearly or more and the life of a progamer is short. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 07 2012 03:49 YourGoodFriend wrote: Wow that's quite similar to NFL. That is one of the good sides of kespa they have made standards for all of the player processes. It should be interesting what happens to roro he is a pretty good sc2 player you do realize the nfl is also an owners dominated league with few player rights right | ||
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AyMnRSC2
United States123 Posts
It will be really interesting to see what happens in the upcoming weeks. Especially if RorO plays as well as he has been playing. I think that he has a really good shot at impacting the SC2 scene along with Jaedong and EffOrt as far as Zergs go. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 07 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote: you do realize the nfl is also an owners dominated league with few player rights right That's what happens when the owners have all the money and all the leverage. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18733 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:38 aristarchus wrote: If that was reliably true, then what you should see is no one ever taking a contract in phase 1 - if the offer will still be there later, there is no downside to seeing what other teams offer. Now, I'm new to it and maybe that's what occurs... but if it ever does, it means that the player themself at least isn't convinced the offer will still be there later. The Asian mentality doesn't really allow this. Why should a player decide to look at other offers if the team he wants to stay in offers him a good salary with terms he wants? But yeah last year we had a few in phase 2 and then resigning with their teams in phase 3. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On September 07 2012 04:19 Medrea wrote: Ah lets see what the free slave trade brings in this year. Hehe. Funny thing is that slave usually gets paid more than freed people. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 07 2012 04:20 jidolboy wrote: Hehe. Funny thing is that slave usually gets paid more than freed people. Not unless its an A lister. Many free agency players get bought back by the original team for a fraction of what they were originally making. Thereby commiting esports sudoku. Also, its still bad practice that the player doesnt get to choose what team they go to. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On September 07 2012 04:31 Medrea wrote: Not unless its an A lister. Many free agency players get bought back by the original team for a fraction of what they were originally making. Thereby commiting esports sudoku. Also, its still bad practice that the player doesnt get to choose what team they go to. I was talking about current Free Agents -.- | ||
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