EPTSituation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 13
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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sertman
United States540 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:40 Blazinghand wrote: WELL, he did say he plays twice as much terran, so you'd expect him to be much better/higher rated with terran. The fact that he's not, in his mind, is an indication that terran is more difficult. well that's the point isn't it? if it's easier to win with protoss or zerg he should be much better with protoss and zerg regardless of how much terran he's played. that's the definition of imbalance. what it actually shows though is that the race you play doesn't really make a difference as to how well you do - it's completely up to your skill level that dictates whether or not you win or lose. | ||
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Aristotle7
United States120 Posts
“ DKIM: Blah, blah, I have to do PR. I could care less what you think but I have to do PR, so blah, blah. Some time back I felt like buffing Ravens but meh. Then I felt like nerfing creep but meh. Oh, the other day MVP won something, so stop whining. “ User was warned for this post | ||
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DebtSC2
United States20 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:47 omnic wrote: Too many variables still. He could naturally be better at zerg/protoss mechanics. The fact that he plays terran so much also gives him quite a large advantage over other terran players that he would face as Zerg or protoss. He could be playing zerg or protoss after going on a harsh losing streak as terran so his MMR has tanked. These types of variables that can easily be overlooked (and if I wasnt so pressed for time atm i'm sure I could come up with quite a few more easily.) make anecdotal evidence that his argument is based on anything but concrete. This all could very well be true! But, I was sharing my experience. It wasn't meant to be end-all, be-all evidence that alone demonstrates Z and P to be less mechanically demanding than T. Also, the whole 'terran is hard' thing isn't exactly new. I mean, didn't iNcontrol say as much on ITG 48 or 49? Hasn't lack of foreigner terran success been a longstanding thing? I know that Zerg and Protoss aren't "easy." No race in such a competitive is going to award easy wins any farther than the skill of the player will take them. But in relative terms, from personal experience, I think that Z and P are mechanically 'less difficult' than Terran. They are not "EASY MODE," simply less mechanically demanding. Certain builds/playstyles definitely don't withstand that statement, obviously. A terran who 5 raxes every game against toss is going to have the easier game to play, at least until mid master. A terran that mechs against a zerg using mutalisks and roach drops is going to have the easier game to play. There are ways to play around the "skill gap" issue, though most of them don't hold up at the pro level. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_4/Up_and_Down see bottom, racial distribution | ||
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Bobson
Sweden50 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:57 Aristotle7 wrote: TLDR/Translated to English: “ DKIM: Blah, blah, I have to do PR. I could care less what you think but I have to do PR, so blah, blah. Some time back I felt like buffing Ravens but meh. Then I felt like nerfing creep but meh. Oh, the other day MVP won something, so stop whining. “ This. No idea why he still has his job lolol. User was warned for this post | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:14 FinalForm wrote: Before queen range buff TvZ was evenly balanced especially as players like DRG where pioneering ways to deal with reactor hellions delaying the third. Simcities, roaches were used and despite the cost sank into a set of early game roaches, DRG was using those roaches for good drop defense. HoTS is right around the corner. They want Zerg to be the best race, just like Terran was the best at WoL launch. It's all about the business side of things with Blizzard these days. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:14 FinalForm wrote: Before queen range buff TvZ was evenly balanced especially as players like DRG where pioneering ways to deal with reactor hellions delaying the third. Simcities, roaches were used and despite the cost sank into a set of early game roaches, DRG was using those roaches for good drop defense. Nerchio and Stephano were using Roaches to fend off Hellions for months too. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:49 Penecks wrote: Hmm I guess I can see why Kim made this decision, but does anyone know if the plan to speed up the Raven has been scrapped entirely? Would still be useful, as one second of being out of position and you just lost half your ravens to fungal. I dont think the raven change would be harmful at all. I don't know if it should be because of fungal, or more of a nudge like warp prisms and OLs and things like that. This is probably a good change; though the guy on the first page discussing why it was changed in the first place needs to take into account the opinion that tvz was stupid before the patch. Balance aside, tvz being hellions vs either fast 3 base or 2 base tech made tvz very typical and caused lots of random all ins that worked because of chance vs greed. I would never want to go back to before the queen range. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Ravens are a clunky very mediocre spellcaster that has overpriced spells that are extremely unreliable ( range from great to utterly useless ) but for whatever reason this units never got changed to be more reliable. You cannot rely on Ravens to win you a game you will have to rely on your opponent to fucking up to do that for example. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:17 Bippzy wrote: I dont think the raven change would be harmful at all. I don't know if it should be because of fungal, or more of a nudge like warp prisms and OLs and things like that. This is probably a good change; though the guy on the first page discussing why it was changed in the first place needs to take into account the opinion that tvz was stupid before the patch. Balance aside, tvz being hellions vs either fast 3 base or 2 base tech made tvz very typical and caused lots of random all ins that worked because of chance vs greed. I would never want to go back to before the queen range. But somehow 6 pool drone pull happening to work now is OK? | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
"We're going to buff ravens" all zerg tears cry and point at how mvp/taeja used them to demolish people. And it may come bite him back in the ass if it turns out raven were just not explored fully. "We're not going to buff ravens" this thread tbh I don't know why all the people in this thread are crying zerg imba right now when protoss are GSL 1 style dominating the current meta | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
on topic, i think this is a great approach they're taking. makes me very optimistic for HOTS too. | ||
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