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On September 01 2012 04:28 paddyz wrote:
How bout we bring back khaidarian amulet and flux vanes then let terrans learn how to deal with them.
Funny how they never had problems nerfing protoss
This would be great, except Blizzard's attitude towards protoss has ALWAYS been unfavorable to say the least. Protoss is just destined to be the race of gimmicks. I think Blizzard only included them because their lucky number is 3.
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Balancing the game based on tournament results is a really bad way to do this. What if all the top terrans got together and started playing like shit in tourneys, they would know that this would guarantee them a balance boost to their race.
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On September 01 2012 04:37 Aveng3r wrote:
i still dont like how its really hard to play terran without super crazy apm
When you say play Terran, do you mean casually on ladder or winning in tournaments? Lol.
On September 01 2012 04:37 Fluid wrote:
Balancing the game based on tournament results is a really bad way to do this. What if all the top terrans got together and started playing like shit in tourneys, they would know that this would guarantee them a balance boost to their race.
lol? Theres little difference between this and match-fixing. If they want to risk their careers and the sanctity of SC2 as a competition, then sure, roll the dice and hope it works out. The second MVP sets the standard and every other Terran decides to throw, they'll just look at MVP or Taeja and say "well, they're doing okay." -- just as they're doing now.
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On September 01 2012 04:22 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:17 Bippzy wrote:On September 01 2012 03:49 Penecks wrote:
Hmm I guess I can see why Kim made this decision, but does anyone know if the plan to speed up the Raven has been scrapped entirely? Would still be useful, as one second of being out of position and you just lost half your ravens to fungal. I dont think the raven change would be harmful at all. I don't know if it should be because of fungal, or more of a nudge like warp prisms and OLs and things like that. This is probably a good change; though the guy on the first page discussing why it was changed in the first place needs to take into account the opinion that tvz was stupid before the patch. Balance aside, tvz being hellions vs either fast 3 base or 2 base tech made tvz very typical and caused lots of random all ins that worked because of chance vs greed. I would never want to go back to before the queen range. But somehow 6 pool drone pull happening to work now is OK?
I see where you're going. But i think the consequence of an rts is things like unreliable cheeses. If its a 2 player map, maybe 1 rax expo or you could die to a 6 pool drone pull. But the fact remains that on a 4 player map 6 pool drone pull equals luck. The previous design was bad because of lack of scouting all ins, the current design is not nearly asbad because you can punish greed you dont know about yet by 6 pool drone pulling.
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Good decision, see guys they are learning too :D
Now they're more hesitant to balance and will be more careful. That's good. There's not much of a hurry anyways.
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WTF? Where is hot bid? holy crap now even blizzard is using the word metagame improperly
swift bans shall be handed out to david kim and dustin browder
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On September 01 2012 04:36 System42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:32 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote:
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. LOL past like 4 tournaments in a row Terrans have won and now 1 zerg won an mlg with a terran in second lol dont talk please. Sure, if you don't count the ones Zerg and Protoss won, then yeah, Terran won all the tournaments since release! Terra OP! What? are you stupid? I am comfused all I said was terran won the past 4 tournaments in a row... and then u say something really retarded... and terran still has the most GSL wins
Have a bit of a scroll through will you? Tell me how much blue you see. Terran has not won the last 4 tournaments. Terran hasn't even won the last 4 major offline events.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues#
GG no re
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On September 01 2012 04:35 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:34 Zeon0 wrote:
i think its a good decision, buffing the race with the improving winrate seems silly? Yep, giving 0.25 additional movespeed to the Raven would have been game-breaking for sure.
so if they gave zerg Broodlord speed increased by 0.25 u wouldnt care ok good to know because it is pretty much the same thing
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I'm about to lose faith in Blizzard.
If carriers aren't in HotS then I'm really done.
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On September 01 2012 04:39 DebtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:36 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:32 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote:
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. LOL past like 4 tournaments in a row Terrans have won and now 1 zerg won an mlg with a terran in second lol dont talk please. Sure, if you don't count the ones Zerg and Protoss won, then yeah, Terran won all the tournaments since release! Terra OP! What? are you stupid? I am comfused all I said was terran won the past 4 tournaments in a row... and then u say something really retarded... and terran still has the most GSL wins Have a bit of a scroll through will you? Tell me how much blue you see. Terran has not won the last 4 tournaments. Terran hasn't even won the last 4 major offline events. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues#GG no re
ok, here you go retard. Asus Rog, Mlg summer arena. ESV final, and IEM I hope you feel really stupid right now because u look like u are RETARDED.
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Funny thing is that as a Zerg, I really don't mind the balance changes if they implement it.
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On September 01 2012 04:41 System42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:39 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:36 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:32 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote:
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. LOL past like 4 tournaments in a row Terrans have won and now 1 zerg won an mlg with a terran in second lol dont talk please. Sure, if you don't count the ones Zerg and Protoss won, then yeah, Terran won all the tournaments since release! Terra OP! What? are you stupid? I am comfused all I said was terran won the past 4 tournaments in a row... and then u say something really retarded... and terran still has the most GSL wins Have a bit of a scroll through will you? Tell me how much blue you see. Terran has not won the last 4 tournaments. Terran hasn't even won the last 4 major offline events. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues#GG no re ok, here you go retard. Asus Rog, Mlg summer arena. ESV final, and IEM I hope you feel really stupid right now because u look like u are RETARDED.
Wow, just... wow.
So you are going to leave out WCS Korea, WCS NA, MLG Summer Championship... you know what? Nevermind.
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On September 01 2012 04:25 See.Blue wrote:
holy shit in before avilo.
on topic, i think this is a great approach they're taking. makes me very optimistic for HOTS too.
I think the trend down is going to continue . 95% of all macro games in every MU are shitty turtely boring as shit games.
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On September 01 2012 04:39 kaokentake wrote:
WTF? Where is hot bid? holy crap now even blizzard is using the word metagame improperly
swift bans shall be handed out to david kim and dustin browder
I made a blog questioning an expanding definition of omnipresent and used metagame as an example of a word transforming in usage. Everyone disagreed with me and I accepted it. I've been thinkin this for a while now, since no one is complaining about its misusage, its been accepted. Even TL writeups on dota and sc2 use it wrong. Im thinking its becoming more of the common strats
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On September 01 2012 04:39 System42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:35 TheDwf wrote:On September 01 2012 04:34 Zeon0 wrote:
i think its a good decision, buffing the race with the improving winrate seems silly? Yep, giving 0.25 additional movespeed to the Raven would have been game-breaking for sure. so if they gave zerg Broodlord speed increased by 0.25 u wouldnt care ok good to know because it is pretty much the same thing
Oh sorry, I was unaware that Broodlords weren't already efficient enough and badly needed some kind of buff.
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YES!! I greatly approve. Love to see players figure things out on their own
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On September 01 2012 04:43 DebtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:41 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:39 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:36 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:32 DebtSC2 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 System42 wrote:On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote:
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. LOL past like 4 tournaments in a row Terrans have won and now 1 zerg won an mlg with a terran in second lol dont talk please. Sure, if you don't count the ones Zerg and Protoss won, then yeah, Terran won all the tournaments since release! Terra OP! What? are you stupid? I am comfused all I said was terran won the past 4 tournaments in a row... and then u say something really retarded... and terran still has the most GSL wins Have a bit of a scroll through will you? Tell me how much blue you see. Terran has not won the last 4 tournaments. Terran hasn't even won the last 4 major offline events. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues#GG no re ok, here you go retard. Asus Rog, Mlg summer arena. ESV final, and IEM I hope you feel really stupid right now because u look like u are RETARDED. Wow, just... wow. So you are going to leave out WCS Korea, WCS NA, MLG Summer Championship... you know what? Nevermind.
OMG dude ur so stupid I just said past 4 besides MLG read what I say before u say something stupid again and thats still 5 terran wins 1 protoss 2 zergs stop talking kid you dont know anything.
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Jolly good! more 3cc vs 6queens fast third hatchery tvz games! into more camping!
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If hsm acted more like irradiate, it have much better use. Count down like proposed widow mine and hit the target. It gives player to react to aoe and snipe important units.
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EPT
