EPTDestiny and Root part ways - Page 116
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
As emotionally invested as people are on this topic, TL rules still apply. That includes flaming and ad hominem attacks. | ||
|
matiK23
United States963 Posts
| ||
|
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
/thread | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:19 matiK23 wrote: Link to the feminist reddit thread? I need a good laugh. http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/c5ypu1z On August 31 2012 07:21 Defacer wrote: To summarize: if a girl seems crazy enough to send nude pictures of herself to you don't give her your passwords. /thread Way to slut shame BlueTea and victim blame Destiny in the same sentence. | ||
|
Ozcollo
United States154 Posts
On August 31 2012 06:59 iky43210 wrote: well, lets see. 1) A dick pics for the world to see. 2) immature talks and blatant childish act / disrespectful of others privacy 3) overreacting response on public note. It doesn't matter if the conversation was private or public, or that the leak of the fact that he send dicks to random fangirl was not his intention, but the sponsors and team images have been as a result. Fairly good reasons to be pissed about. The whys and hows don't really matter 1) A woman used an email password to reset his skype/twitter/facebook passwords and take control of the accounts. She then uses them to circulate explicit photographs and private conversations. That's borderline stalker behavior and lead to events that were out of his control. 2) I'm sure you've NEVER had private conversations about someone when they weren't present. I'm sure that if you did, you went to them and told them right away. Although I doubt you'll be able to read this from all the up on that high horse. 3) He just had his dick posted for the entire world to see after having all control removed from tools he uses to help make a living. He was also making decent progress at a tournament he wanted to succeed at but had to forfeit because of events out of his control. He's had to deal with a large population of illiterate people who had knee-jerk reactions and accused him of distributing child pornography. Not to mention people completely trashing his character and imposing their morals on him behind a veil of anonymity. Not to mention trolls who have absolutely no idea what Starcraft 2 or the context of events mailing sponsors. His threat to contact her place of work/school was lame, but otherwise he had the reaction of a lot of normal people and it's justified to me. The whys and hows should absolutely matter in this incident. Like I've told you before, believe it or not, in a lot of groups of close friends, the sharing of photos in private like that is the norm. The absolute worst part of this entire situation is that if the roles were reversed and Steven was the one that made unauthorized access to a woman's accounts and made her photographs public, there would be VERY few of you that would actually stand up for him. It's absolutely insane the number of people in this thread and on Reddit that believe she was justified in how she handled the situation (This isn't directed at you, I can't remember your thoughts on this subject, sorry). | ||
|
WombaT
Northern Ireland27303 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:18 z0nk wrote: And just because oh-so many of your friends did this, you automatically assume it to be "the right thing to do"? No, but it's a relatively common occurrence. In a similar vein, people pretty much agree that infidelity is wrong/objectionable behaviour, but nobody in their right mind would claim it is not commonplace. Likewise few here will argue or that people deserve to lose their job if they indulge in it. It's ridiculous to demand those kind of standards on people who don't aspire to be role models. Exceptions would be people who make a point of trading on their wholesome values, politicians and the likes. Such a fall from grace is fine if you were trading on claims to be a good guy, while simultaneously indulging in such behaviour. Aside from that I don't feel comfortable burning people at the stake for personal indiscretions in their private time. On an unrelated note, can anybody familiar with reddit explain to me who it was exactly that was emailing the sponsors. To me it appeared to be mostly those unfamiliar/unaffiliated with the SC2 scene but I might be wrong on that. | ||
|
SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:19 matiK23 wrote: Link to the feminist reddit thread? I need a good laugh. There is no ne! i can't find it mang! ;D | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:23 Ozcollo wrote: The absolute worst part of this entire situation is that if the roles were reversed and Steven was the one that made unauthorized access to a woman's accounts and made her photographs public, there would be VERY few of you that would actually stand up for him. It's absolutely insane the number of people in this thread and on Reddit that believe she was justified in how she handled the situation (This isn't directed at you, I can't remember your thoughts on this subject, sorry). She's a woman; in our society, we treat men as actors with agency and women as passive objects who are merely acted upon. Therefore, people only consider males responsible for their actions, so the girl here is clearly the victim. http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/c5ypu1z | ||
|
Kranzor
20 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:27 Wombat_NI wrote: On an unrelated note, can anybody familiar with reddit explain to me who it was exactly that was emailing the sponsors. To me it appeared to be mostly those unfamiliar/unaffiliated with the SC2 scene but I might be wrong on that. http://www.reddit.com/r/shitredditsays Feminist hatetraìn subreddit...with no ties to starcraft | ||
|
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:21 sunprince wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/c5ypu1z Way to slut shame BlueTea and victim blame Destiny in the same sentence. Life isn't that hard, guys. If you need someone to explain to you why handing you passwords over to someone you hardly know is a bad idea, you might as well fall on your sword right now. | ||
|
Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:18 Leth0 wrote: Let's try and clarify this then. Situation A. Share some nudes with a girl. You could care a less about her , or her feelings so you show the pics to your friends and laugh about how ugly you think she is like the immature jackass you are. -Yea I'm sure this happens a lot, because their are a lot stupid shits out there who are more worried about some type of boasting then showing any amount of respect to another person. Situation B Share some nudes with a girl. You care about her and her feelings, You would never betray her trust by doing something like showing her naked body to your friends for whatever reason. -Yea not a lot of people like this around. So you're right. I'm sure it does happen a lot. What makes this more amusing is that the dipshit from situation A screws himself over when his "private" conversation becomes not so private. "Oh you don't understand, I was being an immature prick behind closed doors" Nice, but nobody cares. You show zero respect for someone and take it farther by actually taking the time out to ridicule them. Then you act surprised when that shit comes back to bite you in the ass? Come on. What kind of stupid prick puts himself in that situation then tries to claim the moral highground, like he should be put on some pedestal. Respect isn't just a "some of the time" kind of thing. It's not like makeup you put on before going out for the night, or something you try to do when your at MLG. It's just common fucking decent respect for people. This is such an obvious lesson to be taken away from this, but I severely doubt a person as narcissistic as Destiny will ever learn that lesson, no matter how hard it slaps him in the face. Hell yeah, you're a man of outstanding morals, congrats! But ya know, sometimes people make mistakes, I'm sure you have too, and at those times the punishment should fit the crime. This is a minor fucking incident that has been blown way out of proportion. Anyone with some sense of proportion know this, Destiny included, and pointing it out kind of makes sense. | ||
Falling
Canada11603 Posts
2) I'm sure you've NEVER had private conversations about someone when they weren't present. I'm sure that if you did, you went to them and told them right away. Although I doubt you'll be able to read this from all the up on that high horse. This rather downplays the betrayal of trust. I mean sure, if you don`t have nude pics of yourself, it can`t possibly get out there. But that goes for Destiny too. Simply taking nude pics of yourself creates a vulnerability if the celebrity cell phone pic craze is any indication. But it`s not just having a private conversation. I don`t subscribe to her method of dealing with it either. But I disagree with your suggestion that what Destiny did was perfectly acceptable. And that if you hadn`t behaved like Destiny, you`re on some sort of moral high horse. | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:29 Defacer wrote: Life isn't that hard, guys. If you need someone to explain to you why handing you passwords over to someone you hardly know is a bad idea, you might as well fall on your sword right now. "If she didn't want nude pictures of herself published on the internet, she should have protected her password better!" Can you imagine the outrage, persecution, and criminal proceedings if the genders were reversed? Steven shared his password with Bluetea when she was doing management for him. That's not an open invitation to use it for malicious purposes. Regardless, he's neither responsible for her decision to publish nude pictures of him nor for the lies that were spread by a feminist group to hurt his career. | ||
|
WombaT
Northern Ireland27303 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:32 Falling wrote: This rather downplays the betrayal of trust. I mean sure, if you don`t have nude pics of yourself, it can`t possibly get out there. But that goes for Destiny too. Simply taking nude pics of yourself creates a vulnerability if the celebrity cell phone pic craze is any indication. But it`s not just having a private conversation. I don`t subscribe to her method of dealing with it either. But I disagree with your suggestion that what Destiny did was perfectly acceptable. And that if you hadn`t behaved like Destiny, you`re on some sort of moral high horse. Well to take a hypothetical let's say Incontrol or somebody big in the community cheats on his partner and gets removed from their team for 'shaming the brand'. That's objectionable behaviour too, but would you really want somebody fired from their job for doing such a thing? Not many here are claiming that Destiny did nothing wrong, but many of us feel they were acts that were divorced from his public role as a representative of ROOT and their affiliated sponsors and thus he shouldn't face such sanctions. (Btw Inc, using you as an example, obviously wouldn't suspect you of such shenanigans. | ||
|
CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
Besides cant destiny sue her or something? lol | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:35 CrtBalorda wrote: ROFL!? In my opinnion the girl is 1000 times more in the wrong then destiny, if destiny is even in the wrong at all. Besides cant destiny sue her or something? lol It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get most Western judicial systems to take female criminals seriously, because our society does not consider women responsible for their own actions. | ||
|
Leth0
856 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:36 sunprince wrote: It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get most Western judicial systems to take female criminals seriously, because our society does not consider women responsible for their own actions. What is it about being a die hard fan of something or someone that makes people say the stupidest shit their simple minds can conjure up? | ||
|
iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:23 Ozcollo wrote: 1) A woman used an email password to reset his skype/twitter/facebook passwords and take control of the accounts. She then uses them to circulate explicit photographs and private conversations. That's borderline stalker behavior and lead to events that were out of his control. 2) I'm sure you've NEVER had private conversations about someone when they weren't present. I'm sure that if you did, you went to them and told them right away. Although I doubt you'll be able to read this from all the up on that high horse. 3) He just had his dick posted for the entire world to see after having all control removed from tools he uses to help make a living. He was also making decent progress at a tournament he wanted to succeed at but had to forfeit because of events out of his control. He's had to deal with a large population of illiterate people who had knee-jerk reactions and accused him of distributing child pornography. Not to mention people completely trashing his character and imposing their morals on him behind a veil of anonymity. Not to mention trolls who have absolutely no idea what Starcraft 2 or the context of events mailing sponsors. His threat to contact her place of work/school was lame, but otherwise he had the reaction of a lot of normal people and it's justified to me. The whys and hows should absolutely matter in this incident. Like I've told you before, believe it or not, in a lot of groups of close friends, the sharing of photos in private like that is the norm. The absolute worst part of this entire situation is that if the roles were reversed and Steven was the one that made unauthorized access to a woman's accounts and made her photographs public, there would be VERY few of you that would actually stand up for him. It's absolutely insane the number of people in this thread and on Reddit that believe she was justified in how she handled the situation (This isn't directed at you, I can't remember your thoughts on this subject, sorry). missed the point. whys and hows barely matters to sponsors and teams I'm sure alot of group of friends are also crack racists jokes in their small circle, doesn't mean it won't be hugely frown upon if some celebrities/stars/employee did it and got caught this is not the first time, in fact its incredibly common, for players or even average day employees to be fired or penalized for these kind of behavior. Anyway, disregarding sponsors, the line between private and public no longer exists once its out there. Just because you're a jackass in discrete, doesn't mean people will tolerate it once its blown | ||
|
Falling
Canada11603 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:34 Wombat_NI wrote: Well to take a hypothetical let's say Incontrol or somebody big in the community cheats on his partner and gets removed from their team for 'shaming the brand'. That's objectionable behaviour too, but would you really want somebody fired from their job for doing such a thing? Not many here are claiming that Destiny did nothing wrong, but many of us feel they were acts that were divorced from his public role as a representative of ROOT and their affiliated sponsors and thus he shouldn't face such sanctions. (Btw Inc, using you as an example, obviously wouldn't suspect you of such shenanigans. Would I want it? No probably not. But I would rather understand it if really was significant shenanigans. I`m sure people have brought this up even though it`s waaaaay out of our league. But when Tiger Woods lost a bunch of sponsorships, I`m not sitting there cheering his (temporary) hit in popularity. But I am also thinking he`s a douche and I understand why sponsors aren`t exactly wanting to back him. But Destiny has always embraced living on the border between acceptable and unacceptable. It`s where he thrives. But he also courts controversy and riling up a lot of people for a variety of times he`s crossed the border too deep or too often. At this point in his a career, he`s a walking controversy machine so I`m not at all surprised to seem him dropped. I think it`s too bad, but I also think it`s the risk he has always run. Consider, someone like Tyler would have to some serious shenanigans to rile up people. And I don`t think Destiny has ever wanted to be a chill Nony and that`s fine. But there are different risks to run. | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:38 Leth0 wrote: What is it about being a die hard fan of something or someone that makes people say the stupidest shit their simple minds can conjure up? Your ad hominem is fail. This has nothing to do with being a fan of Destiny, and you can see from my posting history that I've never posted anything relating to Destiny or Root until this thread. As for the actual point in question, multiple criminological studies have shown that there is a massive sentencing disparity between men and women for identical crimes. The concept of female hypoagency is also something that has been explained and discussed in both sociological and feminist contexts. Simply put, society in general does not take women as seriously as men, and that includes both when considering women competent agents (which sucks for independent women who don't want people constantly helping her like she's a child) or as criminal threats (which sucks for victims of women). You can see this in all sorts of double standards: if a drunk man has sex with a drunk woman then he raped her, if a woman cheats on a man it's because he did something to deserve it, etc. | ||
|
koreasilver
9109 Posts
| ||
| ||
