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On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3
"Showing pictures of your girls to your friends" is your very definition of being an adult?
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On August 31 2012 06:21 NMHU. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestationSome Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything. This is a gross hyperbola, we're not talking about criminal accusations when it comes to Destiny.
Exactly. We don't even need a hypothetical example - we can compare Luxury, accused of (rather shocking) domestic abuse. Pretty much nobody is on his side for that, and I'd imagine if he still had a team to be kicked off, he would be.
Obviously, there is a difference in that case and this one, since public opinion is quite different between the two. Luxury's case is far more severe, and a legal issue - Destiny's is not. Whether that is an appropriate dividing line is another story.
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On August 31 2012 06:16 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestation Some Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything. Can you elaborate on how child pornography is the same as sharing amongst your buddies a nude pic of an adult woman and asking them if they would hit it?
It was in response to:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
there is so many people intruding in his privacy
make me sick.
In this "example", It is a personal and private issue and not related to SC2 or a team.
The deal here is that progamers (yes, even people who aren't very "pro" but are famous: such as Destiny) are held as idols to people all around the world and are most definitely in the spot light; as such, they should be held to higher standards. This is why professional athletic organizations (NFL, FIFA, UFC, ATP, WTA etc...) hold players accountable for their actions on and off the field. If you ever want e-sports to be taken seriously, we must act the same.
Also, despite what the first guy I quoted said, this is related to SC2 because it was a violation / attack on a member of our community. Even if it wasn't though, people in a position of spotlight / fame should be held to a higher standard.
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On August 31 2012 06:49 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3 the irony of is this is great. It has nothing to do with white knights or not, its called having some ethics and human decencies. Intimate pics sent to you are for you only, not for your friends or rest of the world to see.
So where do we draw the line? Obviously privately showing a couple of buddies some nude pics someone sent to you is way over the line and deserves a lynching. But what about not putting your trash in the trash bin? Or playing loud music disturbing your neighbours late at night? Or speeding? That shit's illegal and may endanger the lives others! Surely all those things also deserve getting lynched. C'mon TL, we can make the world a better place, let's form a community watch to keep all those players in check!
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On August 31 2012 06:47 z0nk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 00:58 KoRStarvid wrote:
I believe that what Destiny did here was distasteful. I wouldn't personally want to be associated with someone who shares private pictures with his friends. Is it my business though? No, it isn't.
You have a good point. Contacting sponsors may be a questionable action. But I think whether it is one's business or not is also debateable. As Edmund Burke once stated: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
If the consequence of people whining to the sponsors is him getting fired, then it's certainly not a punishment fitting the crime. I believe contacting his employer (ROOT) is a much better way of voicing you opinion, or maybe just discussing it in the forum.
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On August 31 2012 06:54 Mutation wrote:
Ok, so what has Destiny done to upset the sponsors?
well, lets see.
1) A dick pics for the world to see.
2) immature talks and blatant childish act / disrespectful of others privacy
3) overreacting response on public note.
It doesn't matter if the conversation was private or public, or that the leak of the fact that he send dicks to random fangirl was not his intention, but the sponsors and team images have been as a result.
Fairly good reasons to be pissed about. The whys and hows don't really matter
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On August 31 2012 06:54 Mutation wrote:
Ok, so what has Destiny done to upset the sponsors? In a PRIVATE conversation, he talked about something and showed something to TWO people. Then, the girl finds out, blabla and SHE shares Destiny's private parts to basically EVERYONE.
Excuse me for the caps, but people don't seem to understand - what destiny did was rude, but it was in private. Just think about what would happen if every single private conversation you had would be out in the open, I bet some people would go apeshit berserk on some stuff you said, or stuff I said for that matter.
As for sharing nude pictures - it is not my cup-of-tea, but in some groups of friends these things are considered normal, and it is a 'gentleman's agreement' that these pictures are only for watching, not for sharing. Further, I don't know if I'd be more pissed off to have secrets of me, or nude pics of me shared to friends, but I think the former...
However, only because the girl leaked the chat + private pictures to everybody, he's getting fired and getting financial loss from it. Besides, the girl released private information about where he lives, potentially endangering his son and roommate, which is totally not cool.
What Destiny did was not cool, but private.
What the BlueTea did was ILLEGAL.
Just turn it the other way around for a second... a girl shares a nude pic of Destiny in private with her friends, and Destiny shares (via a high-profile twitter account) nude pics of the girls private parts with the rest of the word.
An absolute shitstorm would ensue, en nobody would blame the girl here.
Destiny could absolutely file a lawsuit here and claim for financial loss- I don't think he will (or should), and the girl should be very, very thankful for that.
Both actions were illegal. This "private" conversation stopped becoming "private" when 2 people (who were not given permission to see the pictures) were included and shown the pictures. Whether you show 2 people or 200,000 people doesn't matter in terms of legality.
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On August 31 2012 06:58 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:16 matiK23 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestation Some Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything. Can you elaborate on how child pornography is the same as sharing amongst your buddies a nude pic of an adult woman and asking them if they would hit it? It was in response to: Show nested quote +I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
there is so many people intruding in his privacy
make me sick. In this "example", It is a personal and private issue and not related to SC2 or a team. The deal here is that progamers (yes, even people who aren't very "pro" but are famous: such as Destiny) are held as idols to people all around the world and are most definitely in the spot light; as such, they should be held to higher standards. This is why professional athletic organizations (NFL, FIFA, UFC, ATP, WTA etc...) hold players accountable for their actions on and off the field. If you ever want e-sports to be taken seriously, we must act the same. Also, despite what the first guy I quoted said, this is related to SC2 because it was a violation / attack on a member of our community. Even if it wasn't though, people in a position of spotlight / fame should be held to a higher standard.
And that's the thing. When people think about "ESPORTS", they don't think about the professional side of it at all. All they want to think about is "OMG how cool would it be if SC was on TV."
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On August 31 2012 06:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:49 iky43210 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3 the irony of is this is great. It has nothing to do with white knights or not, its called having some ethics and human decencies. Intimate pics sent to you are for you only, not for your friends or rest of the world to see. So where do we draw the line? Obviously privately showing a couple of buddies some nude pics someone sent to you is way over the line and deserves a lynching. But what about not putting your trash in the trash bin? Or playing loud music at a disturbing your neighbours late at night? Or speeding? That shit's illegal and may endanger the lives others! Surely all those things also deserve getting lynched. C'mon TL, we can make the world a better place, let's form a community watch to keep track of all those players!
And what you said the line has no relevance regarding my response. What he did was despicable, yet so many posters here seems to think that this is just a case of "boys being boys". This is the context of my post, not about contact sponsorings/teams or anything of the like. That's a whole different category which I believe people have the rights and should voice feedback. Its how the business hierarchy works, and has been like this since practically forever.
Employees does bad stuff, you contact manager. Manager screws up, you contact the store rep. etc
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On August 31 2012 07:02 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:54 Mutation wrote:
Ok, so what has Destiny done to upset the sponsors? In a PRIVATE conversation, he talked about something and showed something to TWO people. Then, the girl finds out, blabla and SHE shares Destiny's private parts to basically EVERYONE.
Excuse me for the caps, but people don't seem to understand - what destiny did was rude, but it was in private. Just think about what would happen if every single private conversation you had would be out in the open, I bet some people would go apeshit berserk on some stuff you said, or stuff I said for that matter.
As for sharing nude pictures - it is not my cup-of-tea, but in some groups of friends these things are considered normal, and it is a 'gentleman's agreement' that these pictures are only for watching, not for sharing. Further, I don't know if I'd be more pissed off to have secrets of me, or nude pics of me shared to friends, but I think the former...
However, only because the girl leaked the chat + private pictures to everybody, he's getting fired and getting financial loss from it. Besides, the girl released private information about where he lives, potentially endangering his son and roommate, which is totally not cool.
What Destiny did was not cool, but private.
What the BlueTea did was ILLEGAL.
Just turn it the other way around for a second... a girl shares a nude pic of Destiny in private with her friends, and Destiny shares (via a high-profile twitter account) nude pics of the girls private parts with the rest of the word.
An absolute shitstorm would ensue, en nobody would blame the girl here.
Destiny could absolutely file a lawsuit here and claim for financial loss- I don't think he will (or should), and the girl should be very, very thankful for that. Both actions were illegal. This "private" conversation stopped becoming "private" when 2 people (who were not given permission to see the pictures) were included and shown the pictures. Whether you show 2 people or 200,000 people doesn't matter in terms of legality.
Thats just wrong
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On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
No, what the hell is wrong with you?
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Let me preface by saying I don`t think contacting sponsors to vent your frustration is the right choice....BUT for those who are offended who do they go to? ROOT clearly does not give a shit. Destiny does not give a shit.
Personally I think those contacting sponsors should just completely ignore his immaturity and just not follow the team if they are that mad. Although people saying fans should give teams a chance to make decisions is silly in this case, because ROOT(and other teams) is only doing this because of sponsors not because of their own values and standards.
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On August 31 2012 07:06 Syphon8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult. No, what the hell is wrong with you?
Actually nothing. He is just right about that...its not the most rare situation to occur ~~
On August 31 2012 07:07 mango_destroyer wrote:
Let me preface by saying I don`t think contacting sponsors to vent your frustration is the right choice....BUT for those who are offended who do they go to? ROOT clearly does not give a shit. Destiny does not give a shit.
Personally I think those contacting sponsors should just completely ignore his immaturity and just not follow the team if they are that mad. Although people saying fans should give teams a chance to make decisions is silly in this case, because ROOT(and other teams) is only doing this because of sponsors not because of their own values and standards.
Catz will listen and care if enough people will tell him that this and that is bullshit and not acceptable if its reasonable. Too bad nobody actually tries that, but instead get their pitchforks.
He will probably not care about that feminist subreddit hatecampaign that took place which is a good thing.
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On August 31 2012 07:06 Syphon8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult. No, what the hell is wrong with you?
Really? I have very few friends that HAVEN'T done this. In my experience it seems really common...
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On August 31 2012 07:03 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 06:49 iky43210 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3 the irony of is this is great. It has nothing to do with white knights or not, its called having some ethics and human decencies. Intimate pics sent to you are for you only, not for your friends or rest of the world to see. So where do we draw the line? Obviously privately showing a couple of buddies some nude pics someone sent to you is way over the line and deserves a lynching. But what about not putting your trash in the trash bin? Or playing loud music at a disturbing your neighbours late at night? Or speeding? That shit's illegal and may endanger the lives others! Surely all those things also deserve getting lynched. C'mon TL, we can make the world a better place, let's form a community watch to keep track of all those players! Are you seriously comparing leaking nude pics to third party without consent is the same as not putting trash in the trash bin? And what you said has no relevance. What he did was despicable, yet so many posters here seems to think that this is just a case of "boys being boys". Ridiculous
Yes, I seriously am. Not putting trash in the bin hurts the environment, might kill innocent animals and makes the world a less pleasant place for everyone. The only difference is if someone doesn't put his trash in the bin, his action are actually something that concerns me, because it actually affects me. If some random girl send nude pics to a guy she barely knows and he shows it to a coulpe of his buddies, it doesn't concern me at all. It's a private matter between the two of them.
Edit: But let's continue. Sheth is driving 60mph when the speedlimit is 55mph. Surely he should get cut from TeamLiquid, right? He could've killed someone.
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This thread really needs to die. No one cares about random people's 2 cents
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On August 31 2012 07:09 SnowSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 07:06 Syphon8 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult. No, what the hell is wrong with you? Really? I have very few friends that HAVEN'T done this. In my experience it seems really common...
And on the other hand none of my friends does it, nor do I know anyone that shows nude pics of their girl/friends. I'm more appalled at how this is a common occurrences for so many of you
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Ok seriously this thread needs to be closed. Not going anywhere. Moral of story don't fucking have pictures of you're dick on you're comp. Don't tell other people you're passwords. Simple as that. (have private conversations on who you want to fuck in private. Just don't let them find out if their ugly as fuck)
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On August 31 2012 07:09 SnowSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 07:06 Syphon8 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult. No, what the hell is wrong with you? Really? I have very few friends that HAVEN'T done this. In my experience it seems really common...
And just because oh-so many of your friends did this, you automatically assume it to be "the right thing to do"?
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On August 31 2012 07:08 Kranzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 07:06 Syphon8 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult. No, what the hell is wrong with you? Actually nothing. He is just right about that...its not the most rare situation to occur ~~
Let's try and clarify this then.
Situation A.
Share some nudes with a girl. You could care a less about her , or her feelings so you show the pics to your friends and laugh about how ugly you think she is like the immature jackass you are.
-Yea I'm sure this happens a lot, because their are a lot stupid shits out there who are more worried about some type of boasting then showing any amount of respect to another person.
Situation B
Share some nudes with a girl. You care about her and her feelings, You would never betray her trust by doing something like showing her naked body to your friends for whatever reason.
-Yea not a lot of people like this around.
So you're right. I'm sure it does happen a lot. What makes this more amusing is that the dipshit from situation A screws himself over when his "private" conversation becomes not so private.
"Oh you don't understand, I was being an immature prick behind closed doors" Nice, but nobody cares. You show zero respect for someone and take it farther by actually taking the time out to ridicule them. Then you act surprised when that shit comes back to bite you in the ass? Come on. What kind of stupid prick puts himself in that situation then tries to claim the moral highground, like he should be put on some pedestal.
Respect isn't just a "some of the time" kind of thing. It's not like makeup you put on before going out for the night, or something you try to do when your at MLG. It's just common fucking decent respect for people. This is such an obvious lesson to be taken away from this, but I severely doubt a person as narcissistic as Destiny will ever learn that lesson, no matter how hard it slaps him in the face.
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