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Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3
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On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestationSome Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything.
This is a gross hyperbola, we're not talking about criminal accusations when it comes to Destiny.
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On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation?
dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs
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What hurts me the most is that most of the messages that were sent to Sponsors were due to SRS on reddit, and not the actualy community themselves. They came from people who probably don't even know what/who Twitch.tv even is and most likely have never even heard of Rush Order Tees. They are not viewers, or customers of either company. They just jumped on the bandwagon to hurt Destiny's career. I understand why you did what you did, I just wish that there was a different outcome that could have come from all this. Especially since it didn't involve SC2's customers, but that of a community full of trolls, that Destiny happened to be the topic of the week. Again, I <3 ROOT and I <3 Destiny. I wish both of you the best, and I hope that one day we can see Destiny under the ROOT tag once again. Please don't confuse me being upset, with not having any understanding of what your going through. I understand fully, and I appreciate your efforts.
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On August 31 2012 06:21 zimz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation? dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs
Although, some r/srs posters are regs from r/starcraft. I may be overexaggerating or generalizing in this situation, but imho, I just find sad that have fun in ruining someones career..
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On August 31 2012 06:21 zimz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation? dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs
Makes it even worse than some subreddit which has nothing to do with starcraft can email sponsors and get a player removed from their team if they do something wrong.
And if enough emails are coming to some company which is not super involved in the scene even rather little mistakes can result in the sponsor pulling their money.
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zzz I'd stick around for Destiny for any racist/free speech debacle, but this whole thing was a pretty bone-headed move on his part...
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I really hate witch-hunts, but Destiny really seems to cross the line way too often, and learn nothing. I really dont mind him getting slack for his actions
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On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestation Some Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything.
That surely is a fictional example. It's like saying "would you date a criminal" to someone and he says "no, because I don't want to be murdered" and then saying "well actually at this moment you're dating someone who shoplifted gum, how does it feel?" It's a total non sequitur. Furthermore, being charged with something isn't synonymous with being convicted with something, why wouldn't his team stand behind him? Does being charged with a crime mean your life ends? Does having a private live mean your life ends? Calling the other side kid doesn't make you right, either.
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On August 30 2012 18:35 fer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:40 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 04:34 Bill Murray wrote:
Fayth is such a drama queen sometimes. Same guy from [pG]? "it’s just silly talk between friends and it should be a private matter" that's all there is to it nothing to do with my sore loser behavior C'mon Fayth, really? Like when you guys respected BlueTea's privacy, right? Grow the fuck up. Besides, what kind of argument is that. "Officer, you don't understand. I swear the murder of this innocent woman happened all in the privacy of my home, ok? Thank you." I'm not sure if TT1 and yourself had to be formally 'punished'. Probably just for sponsor relationship building. Destiny had to go however. I don't see anyway around sticking up for any guy with perpetual shitty behaviour for over 2 years. I'm glad CatZ took this decision, because I do believe it was very hard for him to take it. I don't doubt Destiny can be a great friend. Unfortunately for him, that does not excuse him.
You criticize his argument then compare this to murder. lol
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On August 31 2012 06:26 NMHU. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:21 zimz wrote:On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation? dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs Although, some r/srs posters are regs from r/starcraft. I may be overexaggerating or generalizing in this situation, but imho, I just find sad that have fun in ruining someones career..
I agree and you're fully right, Destiny talking about ruining her scholarship is really sad. Let's hope he changes his mind.
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On August 31 2012 06:16 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestation Some Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything. Can you elaborate on how child pornography is the same as sharing amongst your buddies a nude pic of an adult woman and asking them if they would hit it?
This is spot on. A number of examples have drastically altered the details of what happened. Context is everything in these situations. Sure common 'rules', morals, principles apply but comparisons with Hilter, pedo's, etc are just stupid. For those drawing that LONG bow are you exactly the same irrespecitve of sitation, context? you'd talk the same, act the same etc with anyone you interact with in your life?? somehow I doubt that.
Take it back to two people with a relationship of some kind. Put yourself in that situation as person A or person B. Both have reasons to feel hurt/betrayed by the actions of the other. IMO the most interesting posts have been from people looking at what happened rather than who it happened too.
Since Destiny's comments (in raw form) have been released people's opinions have changed or been reinforced about him. It's more ammo for those that loathe him and kind of 'business as usual' for those that support him or at the very least acknowledge that people do talk a bit of shit behind closed doors.
This has been a golden opportunity for haters to get stuck in - no doubt they have taken great satisfaction in the outcome. Not sure what that says about them and the energy they invest in maintaining that kind of loathing for someone.
I'd suggest most of us agree it's been a rough way for both Destiny and Bluetea to learn more about life and relationships. This would make such a good Dr Phil episode imo
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On August 31 2012 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:03 Elitios wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't get at all how any of this is related to sc2 or the team ROOT. Friends do stupid stuff in private, but that is private.
The facts that
1: there is so many people intruding in his privacy
2: there are people who go complaining about that shit to sponsors
make me sick.
This makes me want to leave this community, honestly (and I'm not even a destiny fan) Fictional Example:News: Progamer1 charged with child pornography and child molestation Some Random Team that Progamer1 is on: We stand behind Progamer1, he is a great guy and we hope he overcomes his legal issues. Luckily for all of you fans, these legal issues won't affect his gaming and he will be making our next CW and will be competing in NASL this weekend. Community: YAY! Get'em Progamer1! I'm your number one fan for life! So... this is the type of situations you want? I don't like telling people that I could care less if they leave the community, so I just won't say anything.
That's very obviously illegal. What Destiny did is despicable, but the legality is in a grey area and I really doubt anyone could convict him, and if they did the consequences would be pretty small.
Personally I would have done exactly what BT did and I don't think she really overreacted; being betrayed and having your trust violated by a close friend is very hurtful.
I was always on his side when he had the casual enraged white nerd gamer phaux racism, but this seems a lot more malicious and hurtful. I mean I doubt the people he hurled racial slurs at over ladder chat rooms were remotely as hurt by his actions as BT was. I don't know if I would have let him go if I was in CatZ position, but some pretty severe punishment is definitely called for.
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On August 31 2012 00:58 KoRStarvid wrote:
I believe that what Destiny did here was distasteful. I wouldn't personally want to be associated with someone who shares private pictures with his friends. Is it my business though? No, it isn't.
You have a good point. Contacting sponsors may be a questionable action.
But I think whether it is one's business or not is also debateable.
As Edmund Burke once stated:
"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
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Not the first people in history to go down over nude pics/video nor the last. Remember one thing, no such thing as secure anymore, not even in home sex tapes are safe.
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On August 31 2012 06:20 BPLOL wrote:
Wow so many of you act like this is so terrible (I love the people saying that they would sue if they were in her position lol). While yes, what he did was wrong foe the fact it was done at a public event, but to say that he's the greatest evil of all time is just silly, none of you ever show pics of your girls to your friends? Seems like some of you need to become more adult.
God I do love these white knights though :3
the irony of is this is great. It has nothing to do with white knights or not, its called having some ethics and human decencies. Intimate pics sent to you are for you only, not for your friends or rest of the world to see.
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On August 31 2012 06:19 Shai wrote:
Perhaps what you absolutely aspire to is having all of the best stuff, but there are things I value higher than material possessions. It saddens me that you cannot understand that.
I understand it, I just don't agree with it. It's a silly argument made by people trying to showcase themselves as better than others because of some politically correct morality. I try to keep subjective nonsense away from my decisions, as to keep fallacies out of the mix. This thread has been full of them already.
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On August 31 2012 06:33 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:26 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:21 zimz wrote:On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation? dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs Although, some r/srs posters are regs from r/starcraft. I may be overexaggerating or generalizing in this situation, but imho, I just find sad that have fun in ruining someones career.. I agree and you're fully right, Destiny talking about ruining her scholarship is really sad. Let's hope he changes his mind.
You really think he would do such a thing? He said that because he was angry.
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On August 31 2012 06:33 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 06:26 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:21 zimz wrote:On August 31 2012 06:19 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On August 31 2012 06:06 NMHU. wrote:On August 31 2012 04:52 bonifaceviii wrote:
The important thing is that ESPORTS is going to be fine ESPORTS (god I dislike this term, but whatever), is not going to be fine if the commnunity keeps going on witchforks like that. In my opinion, esports is way more than the competitive aspect of it. There's a bunch of people out that tries to make a living out of this game and people keeps knocking them down for absurd reasons. If you guys want to have flavorless players that just plays a game mechanically to get money from it, it's your choice, but quite frankly, I don't wanna be part of this thing you call and perceive as 'ESPORTS'. Sorry, English is not my first language, hopefully the syntax isnt that bad. ESPORTS won't be fine if every two months the same player keeps doing retarded things and never changes. This is just the kind of incident the media likes to play up and it will do way more damage to ESPORTS if it happens in the future when the scene is more mainstream than it will now. The chaff gotta be separated from the wheat; Destiny is chaff through and through. Acting retarded over and over isn't flavor, it's immaturity. There are tons of players with "flavor" who don't have to get themselves into stupid drama time and time again. I think that you guys in general takes this game or this (e)sport waay too seriously. Every league needs its villians and badboys and this is what is making the fun at the end. Especially over the lnternet, I don't think we should standardize what players and/or entertainers should do. In this situation, his supposedly private life fucked him over because he got hacked. I just find sad that the first reflex of the community is to go whine at sponsors for making their points. The thing that is probablly even worse is the fact that it's not even fans of him who did that. They just did it for the sake of keeping the game safe and clean from these evil minds? Or just for the sake of ruining someones professional reputation? dude it was reddit feminist from r/srs Although, some r/srs posters are regs from r/starcraft. I may be overexaggerating or generalizing in this situation, but imho, I just find sad that have fun in ruining someones career.. I agree and you're fully right, Destiny talking about ruining her scholarship is really sad. Let's hope he changes his mind.
I don't. She started this whole debacle by firmly stating she has NOTHING to lose. Destiny got exposed to hundreds of thousands of people while BlueTea's body has been exposed to a total of 3-4, and these are people destiny trusts. Destinys pic is forever on the Internet. Not only that, but she basically stole Destinys identity by using his Skype, email, twitter. And you don't think she doesn't deserve any consequences?
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Ok, so what has Destiny done to upset the sponsors? In a PRIVATE conversation, he talked about something and showed something to TWO people. Then, the girl finds out, blabla and SHE shares Destiny's private parts to basically EVERYONE.
Excuse me for the caps, but people don't seem to understand - what destiny did was rude, but it was in private. Just think about what would happen if every single private conversation you had would be out in the open, I bet some people would go apeshit berserk on some stuff you said, or stuff I said for that matter.
As for sharing nude pictures - it is not my cup-of-tea, but in some groups of friends these things are considered normal, and it is a 'gentleman's agreement' that these pictures are only for watching, not for sharing. Further, I don't know if I'd be more pissed off to have secrets of me, or nude pics of me shared to friends, but I think the former...
However, only because the girl leaked the chat + private pictures to everybody, he's getting fired and getting financial loss from it. Besides, the girl released private information about where he lives, potentially endangering his son and roommate, which is totally not cool.
What Destiny did was not cool, but private.
What the BlueTea did was ILLEGAL.
Just turn it the other way around for a second... a girl shares a nude pic of Destiny in private with her friends, and Destiny shares (via a high-profile twitter account) nude pics of the girls private parts with the rest of the word.
An absolute shitstorm would ensue, en nobody would blame the girl here.
Destiny could absolutely file a lawsuit here and claim for financial loss- I don't think he will (or should), and the girl should be very, very thankful for that.
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